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Greetings,
Any suggestions to safely yet effectively lubricate technic turntables? I
have four which are somewhat stiff and require a fair amount of torque to
rotate. Thanks in advance!
Cheers,
Carl Jagt
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Carl Jagt wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Any suggestions to safely yet effectively lubricate technic turntables? I
> have four which are somewhat stiff and require a fair amount of torque to
> rotate. Thanks in advance!
DISCLAIMER: I've never tried this...
I'd definitely avoid any kind of liquid lubricant.
I'd guess that a dry graphite lubricant would work - the kind of thing that's
recommended for lubricating door locks that comes with a nice thin nozzle to
direct it where you need it.
Kinda messy though - you might get that black stuff leaking out everywhere for
months afterwards!
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"Steve Baker" <lego-robotics@crynwr.com> wrote in message
news:3AC937B7.A66D8641@airmail.net...
> > Any suggestions to safely yet effectively lubricate technic • turntables? I
> > have four which are somewhat stiff and require a fair amount of torque • to
> > rotate. Thanks in advance!
> DISCLAIMER: I've never tried this...
>
> I'd definitely avoid any kind of liquid lubricant.
Hmm... I have an older turntable (circa 1995ish) and I'd lubricated it about
a year after I got it with HO train gear-lubricant, and havn't had any
problems at all. I first tried graphite - that was a DISASTER. So messy. The
gear oil worked much nicer. I fed a steady bead around the base fo the ring
gear, it's about 1 mm thick on the inside... along the face where it mates
with the base.
It's remained super-smooth ever since!
Iain
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I did that on my oldest turntable : took it apart, thoroughly removed all
dust and added a SMALL drop of silicone oil. Works fine since...
Philo
http://www.philohome.com
In lugnet.robotics, Carl Jagt writes:
> Greetings,
>
> Any suggestions to safely yet effectively lubricate technic turntables? I
> have four which are somewhat stiff and require a fair amount of torque to
> rotate. Thanks in advance!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Jagt
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I read somewhere in the past as an official "Legostatement" from TLC - that
no lubricants of any kind should be used with the gears, wheels, axles, pcs.
etc...
However, it sounds like some people have had success using controlled amounts.
I do know that oil molecules spread themselves out to 1 molecule in
thickness over time. and oil rots rubber. So I have always steered clear. I
am now leaning towards using small wheels as ballbearings in addtion to
Turntables.
Eric
In lugnet.robotics, Carl Jagt writes:
> Greetings,
>
> Any suggestions to safely yet effectively lubricate technic turntables? I
> have four which are somewhat stiff and require a fair amount of torque to
> rotate. Thanks in advance!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Jagt
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How about graphite? I don't think that will degrade
plastic.
--- Eric Sophie <Legomaster@gobi.com> wrote:
> I read somewhere in the past as an official
> "Legostatement" from TLC - that
> no lubricants of any kind should be used with the
> gears, wheels, axles, pcs.
> etc...
>
> However, it sounds like some people have had success
> using controlled amounts.
> I do know that oil molecules spread themselves out
> to 1 molecule in
> thickness over time. and oil rots rubber. So I have
> always steered clear. I
> am now leaning towards using small wheels as
> ballbearings in addtion to
> Turntables.
>
> Eric
>
> In lugnet.robotics, Carl Jagt writes:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Any suggestions to safely yet effectively • lubricate technic turntables? I
> > have four which are somewhat stiff and require a • fair amount of torque to
> > rotate. Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Carl Jagt
> --
> Did you check the web site first?:
> http://www.crynwr.com/lego-robotics
>
>
>
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yeah, probably work real good,,,,,interesting , But I would'nt use it my self.
In lugnet.robotics, Russ Brown <russellclintonbrown@yahoo.com> writes:
> How about graphite? I don't think that will degrade
> plastic.
>
> --- Eric Sophie <Legomaster@gobi.com> wrote:
> > I read somewhere in the past as an official
> > "Legostatement" from TLC - that
> > no lubricants of any kind should be used with the
> > gears, wheels, axles, pcs.
> > etc...
> >
> > However, it sounds like some people have had success
> > using controlled amounts.
> > I do know that oil molecules spread themselves out
> > to 1 molecule in
> > thickness over time. and oil rots rubber. So I have
> > always steered clear. I
> > am now leaning towards using small wheels as
> > ballbearings in addtion to
> > Turntables.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > In lugnet.robotics, Carl Jagt writes:
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > Any suggestions to safely yet effectively • lubricate technic turntables? I
> > > have four which are somewhat stiff and require a • fair amount of torque to
> > > rotate. Thanks in advance!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Carl Jagt
> > --
> > Did you check the web site first?:
> > http://www.crynwr.com/lego-robotics
> >
> >
> >
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Eric Sophie wrote:
>
> yeah, probably work real good,,,,,interesting , But I would'nt use it my self.
Why not? Graphite's carbon rings are most definitely not going to harm
ABS plastic. Is it a purism thing?
--
Regards
Micah J. Mabelitini - LUGNET #918
The University of Kentucky
SECC Middlesboro Academic Skills Resource Center
accutron@kih.net - http://www.users.kih.net/~micahx/
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Oil may work well on turntables, but don't use them for pneumatics. I oiled them
with some kind of oil (I can't remember), and now they stick and stutter when you
pull them. They seem to operate fine now, but not if they get much worse. I would
not use any oil, just pop them open and clean them. You may damage the part
irreversibly, and turntables are hard to replace cheaply. Graphite should be safe,
but you never know...
Andy
"Micah J. Mabelitini" wrote:
> Eric Sophie wrote:
> >
> > yeah, probably work real good,,,,,interesting , But I would'nt use it my self.
>
> Why not? Graphite's carbon rings are most definitely not going to harm
> ABS plastic. Is it a purism thing?
>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> Micah J. Mabelitini - LUGNET #918
> The University of Kentucky
> SECC Middlesboro Academic Skills Resource Center
> accutron@kih.net - http://www.users.kih.net/~micahx/
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Andy Gombos wrote:
>
> Graphite should be safe, but you never know...
Why would one "never know"? This is chemistry, not astrology. Graphene
sheets (the molecular unit of graphite) are quite stable and inert.
Most hydrocarbon oils should also be fine for turntables and other parts
with all-ABS construction (although permanent surface discoloration is a
distinct possibility). I've never disassembled any pneumatic elements,
but do they have any sort of rubber bushings in them? Many oils could
definitely injure such components, rendering them brittle and tacky.
--
Regards
Micah J. Mabelitini - LUGNET #918
The University of Kentucky
SECC Middlesboro Academic Skills Resource Center
accutron@kih.net - http://www.users.kih.net/~micahx/
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You got me pegged, it's a purism thing, I pride myself on never cutting or
altering pieces, glueing or lubricating. Just work those pieces and they'll
loosen up! Get'em... GRRRRR....Eric
In lugnet.robotics, Micah J. Mabelitini writes:
> Eric Sophie wrote:
> >
> > yeah, probably work real good,,,,,interesting , But I would'nt use it my self.
>
>
> Why not? Graphite's carbon rings are most definitely not going to harm
> ABS plastic. Is it a purism thing?
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Eric Sophie wrote:
>
> You got me pegged, it's a purism thing, I pride myself on never cutting or
> altering pieces, glueing or lubricating. Just work those pieces and they'll
> loosen up! Get'em... GRRRRR....Eric
That's okay, I'm a purist too. I once spent several frustrating hours
completely redesigning the drivetrain on one of my robots so I wouldn't
have to trim down four 8L cross axles to 7L. However, when you consider
lubricating a turntable versus breaking it in, you actually may be
modifying the turntable less by lubricating it than you would by
breaking it in. After all, if the turntable turns more easily after
break-in, there has technically been some degree of modification to the
part, probably a slight planing on the contact surfaces that might not
otherwise occur if the turntable were lubricated.
--
Regards
Micah J. Mabelitini - LUGNET #918
The University of Kentucky
SECC Middlesboro Academic Skills Resource Center
accutron@kih.net - http://www.users.kih.net/~micahx/
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Good point, well taken, I'm glad at least 5L axle was produced!
In lugnet.robotics, Micah J. Mabelitini writes:
> Eric Sophie wrote:
> >
> > You got me pegged, it's a purism thing, I pride myself on never cutting or
> > altering pieces, glueing or lubricating. Just work those pieces and they'll
> > loosen up! Get'em... GRRRRR....Eric
>
>
> That's okay, I'm a purist too. I once spent several frustrating hours
> completely redesigning the drivetrain on one of my robots so I wouldn't
> have to trim down four 8L cross axles to 7L. However, when you consider
> lubricating a turntable versus breaking it in, you actually may be
> modifying the turntable less by lubricating it than you would by
> breaking it in. After all, if the turntable turns more easily after
> break-in, there has technically been some degree of modification to the
> part, probably a slight planing on the contact surfaces that might not
> otherwise occur if the turntable were lubricated.
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Graphite could work, and should be safe. I've been using it for model train
couplers, which are made from Delrin. It comes in a little tube, and you
sort of "puff" it on. Kadee is the manufacturer, and it should be available
in the model train section of hobby stores. It stains anything it comes in
contact with.
When I worked with Fischer Technik, I used petroleum jelly a lot. Fischer
Technik is made from Nylon.
Tilman
> How about graphite? I don't think that will degrade
> plastic.
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How about a water-based lubricant instead of petroleum-based? If it's safe for
latex...why not ABS? :) Use it sparingly and only as a last resort. Personally,
I doubt I would use graphite. Graphite would be a little too messy for me.
-Troy
In lugnet.robotics, Eric Sophie writes:
> I read somewhere in the past as an official "Legostatement" from TLC - that
> no lubricants of any kind should be used with the gears, wheels, axles, pcs.
> etc...
>
> However, it sounds like some people have had success using controlled amounts.
> I do know that oil molecules spread themselves out to 1 molecule in
> thickness over time. and oil rots rubber. So I have always steered clear. I
> am now leaning towards using small wheels as ballbearings in addtion to
> Turntables.
>
> Eric
>
> In lugnet.robotics, Carl Jagt writes:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Any suggestions to safely yet effectively lubricate technic turntables? I
> > have four which are somewhat stiff and require a fair amount of torque to
> > rotate. Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Carl Jagt
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<snip>
from using different types of yoyos and other things i have found that the
best for inert lubricating is silicon lubricant, there are also some other
lubes for nylon that i can't think of but i do know that they are out there.
some vcr repair places use it. <wish i couls remember the type>
also, if you want to lubricate pneumatics you may want to use brake fluid
for your car. this is designed for hydrolics but it won't affect rubber
gaskets and seals like oil will.
that is all.
mike
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On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:52:30 GMT, "mike fusion"
<mikefusion@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>
> from using different types of yoyos and other things i have found that the
> best for inert lubricating is silicon lubricant, there are also some other
> lubes for nylon that i can't think of but i do know that they are out there.
> some vcr repair places use it. <wish i couls remember the type>
>
> also, if you want to lubricate pneumatics you may want to use brake fluid
> for your car. this is designed for hydrolics but it won't affect rubber
> gaskets and seals like oil will.
>
> that is all.
>
> mike
Before someone ruins their pneumatics.....
Brake Fluid will ruin many plastics, will remove paint, and can
even damage certain types of rubber seals. The rubber parts in an
automotive brake system are made from special rubber that is made to
work with brake fluid.
Thomas
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Hey!
Some lubricant's are especially made for lubricating thin latex night
wear that I won't mention since this is a family news station... Let's
just say the latex thingie is used to keep the number of kidos down.
But I bet the clerks will wrinkle their eyebrow if you walk up to a
desk with not-said lubricant and a large box of LEGOs :)
/Tobbe
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:16:39 GMT, "Troy McLucas" <tmclucas@psu.edu>
wrote:
> How about a water-based lubricant instead of petroleum-based? If it's safe for
> latex...why not ABS? :) Use it sparingly and only as a last resort. Personally,
> I doubt I would use graphite. Graphite would be a little too messy for me.
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I have a few opinions on the lubrication issue:
1. I would be wary of anything water-soluble/organic as it might grow mold
etc and perhaps start to smell. Leave some out for a week or two and give
it the 'nose' test before using.
2. Even though silicone is clear and inert I would not use that because it
'creeps'. Soon, all your LEGO parts will become coated with a thin layer,
attracting dirt. Also, it's hard to wash off. I managed a bank of silicone
addition pumps in a plastic-molding plant and trying to keep the equipment
clean was a major problem.
3. My choice would be white lithium grease, that you can purchase in small
tubes at an automotive supply store. Service people use it on car hinges
because it does not do serious damage to clothing. Again, I would find a
LEGO block and test it first to be sure that it is compatable with that plastic.
Regards, Jerry
In lugnet.robotics, Tobbe Arnesson writes:
> Hey!
>
> Some lubricant's are especially made for lubricating thin latex night
> wear that I won't mention since this is a family news station... Let's
> just say the latex thingie is used to keep the number of kidos down.
>
> But I bet the clerks will wrinkle their eyebrow if you walk up to a
> desk with not-said lubricant and a large box of LEGOs :)
>
> /Tobbe
>
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:16:39 GMT, "Troy McLucas" <tmclucas@psu.edu>
> wrote:
> > How about a water-based lubricant instead of petroleum-based? If it's safe for
> > latex...why not ABS? :) Use it sparingly and only as a last resort. Personally,
> > I doubt I would use graphite. Graphite would be a little too messy for me.
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> 3. My choice would be white lithium grease, that you can purchase in
small
(BANGS HEAD)
THAT WAS IT!!!
lithium grease. man oh man why couldn't i think of that. it evens quiets
things very well.
mike "hitting his head" fusion
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In lugnet.robotics, Jerry Kalpin wrote:
> I have a few opinions on the lubrication issue:
>
> 1. I would be wary of anything water-soluble/organic as it might grow mold
> etc and perhaps start to smell. Leave some out for a week or two and give
> it the 'nose' test before using.
>
> 2. Even though silicone is clear and inert I would not use that because it
> 'creeps'. Soon, all your LEGO parts will become coated with a thin layer,
> attracting dirt. Also, it's hard to wash off. I managed a bank of silicone
> addition pumps in a plastic-molding plant and trying to keep the equipment
> clean was a major problem.
>
> 3. My choice would be white lithium grease, that you can purchase in small
> tubes at an automotive supply store. Service people use it on car hinges
> because it does not do serious damage to clothing. Again, I would find a
> LEGO block and test it first to be sure that it is compatable with that plastic.
>
> Regards, Jerry
For lubing up my Pneumatics, I used Permatex Super lube, A synthetic grease made
by Loctite. Seems to act like any other grease, and have not had any problems
with it.
Chris Pritchard
>
>
> In lugnet.robotics, Tobbe Arnesson writes:
> > Hey!
> >
> > Some lubricant's are especially made for lubricating thin latex night
> > wear that I won't mention since this is a family news station... Let's
> > just say the latex thingie is used to keep the number of kidos down.
> >
> > But I bet the clerks will wrinkle their eyebrow if you walk up to a
> > desk with not-said lubricant and a large box of LEGOs :)
> >
> > /Tobbe
> >
> > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:16:39 GMT, "Troy McLucas" <tmclucas@psu.edu>
> > wrote:
> > > How about a water-based lubricant instead of petroleum-based? If it's safe for
> > > latex...why not ABS? :) Use it sparingly and only as a last resort. Personally,
> > > I doubt I would use graphite. Graphite would be a little too messy for me.
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