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Following on from Dave's post on rifle modifications to carry a diver's knife
as a bayonet (which post I can't seem to find, sorry):
Works a treat. In fact, I've done some fooling of my own ;-)
Important note to those faint of heart and under the age of consent:
the following presentation includes detailed discussion of persuading pieces
with very sharp knives. No its not pure, but I don't have a problem with
that. Knives can hurt you, get a grown up to help you or you will have to go
to hospital to get a big hole in you sewn up.
So, Dave's plan called for cutting the twin film spool off the top of an
adventurers movie camera, trimming the sight of the end of a western rifle,
slipping the film spool onto the rifle barrel, and a diver's knife in the
other hole. Not bad at all. But wait....there's more, and yes, you will get
a steak knife - by that I mean a pirate cutlass.
How about this:
Liberate the film spools as above
Take a pirate musket, and cut clean though the barrel just before the loser's
flares out.
Slide the film spool onto the musket, and put a teeny tiny lump of bluetack
down into the hole, onto the recently severed end of the musket.
Push the severed flare bit back onto the musket. Now it looks like you have a
complete musket, with a clip on it for a bayonet.
Take a pirate cutlass, and cut off the hand shield (someone want to post the
name of that bit?) perpendicular to the blade and straight from front to back.
A little bit of trimming at the very base of the hilt, and you can slide the
cutlass into the other hole in the filmspool for a very sweet bayonet.
For extra barrel length, take a second musket, and cut its barrel through
about a quarter of the way along the barrel from the trigger. This gives you
a longer butted blunderbuss on the one hand, and a longer flare with barrel on
the other.
Remove the little flare bit from the filmspool on your modified musket, and
attach instead the longer barrel bit.
Cool!
So to make a squad of six long range bayonet equipped muskets, you'll need six
cameras, twelve muskets, 6 cutlasses, a sharp knife, and a very steady hand.
As a bonus, you'll also end up with 6 heavy blunderbuss pistols.
I'll try to post some pics anon.
Regards
Richard
Still baldly going...
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In lugnet.loc.au, Richard Parsons writes:
> Following on from Dave's post on rifle modifications to carry a diver's knife
> as a bayonet (which post I can't seem to find, sorry):
It was in an email (that's why it's not here!). Here's the original plan:
I've figured out a way to make a bayonet. (warning: involves mods)
Take a modern rifle, an adventurers camera and a divers knife. You can get the
first two in many adventurers sets, the last is more uncommon.
Chop off the two holed "film spool" from the camera. Discard the "viewfinder"
piece, or save it for your movie studio (Digicams don't have film spools).
Scrape the sight nub off the end of the rifle barrel. Pop the film spool on
the end of the rifle, wide diameter facing out, and put the knife in the other
hole.
A modified cutlass might work better that the knife, but I'm not about to
destroy one of mine to find out. It turns out a bit funny, (sort of like a two-
toned blunderbuss with a steak knife attached), but it does the job. Here's
some "special" Ascii art that describes what it ends up looking like:
|| ----
||--
(----+----------/
(----+---------/ <--knife
||--
|| ----
|| <--midpoint of the film spool
|| ----
||--
-------------------|
-------------------| <--rifle barrel
||--
|| ----
<Richard's excellent version 2.0 snipped>
> So to make a squad of six long range bayonet equipped muskets, you'll need six
> cameras, twelve muskets, 6 cutlasses, a sharp knife, and a very steady hand.
> As a bonus, you'll also end up with 6 heavy blunderbuss pistols.
Looking forward to seeing this fearsome weaponry in action at the next
Brickwars!
--DaveL
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In lugnet.loc.au, David Low writes:
> In lugnet.loc.au, Richard Parsons writes:
> > Following on from Dave's post on rifle modifications to carry a diver's knife
> > as a bayonet (which post I can't seem to find, sorry):
>
> It was in an email (that's why it's not here!).
Yup that would explain it. Doh!
> Looking forward to seeing this fearsome weaponry in action at the next
> Brickwars!
I'll certainly bring along a squad. I haven't decided whether to field them.
I think I'm still better off with long bows.
I seem to recall that historically crossbows replaced longbows because while
they took longer to load aim and fire, any idiot could load a crossbow and
fire it reasonably accurately. Muskets offered even more fatality with the
same lowered training and physical prowess requirement. Strong, highly
skilled longbowmen were hard to come by, and more expensive to train than
drone crossbowmen or musket armed infantry (musketeers?). As I understand it,
this little bit of history didn't actually make it into the game.
Just a tick...what's that sound? The steady, ominous whoosh of displaced
air....no! It can't be! The hammer of discipline! Duck!
<whoosh>
Hey hey!
<whoosh, thump>
Ow!
<whoosh, thump, just for good measure>
OW! Alright already! Sorry. I'll be fielding a squad of redcoats armed with
long barrelled rifles, complete with bayonets.
<rubs head>
That really hurt....
Richard
Still baldly going...
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In lugnet.loc.au, Richard Parsons writes:
> In lugnet.loc.au, David Low writes:
> > In lugnet.loc.au, Richard Parsons writes:
> > > Following on from Dave's post on rifle modifications to carry a diver's • knife
> > > as a bayonet (which post I can't seem to find, sorry):
> >
> > It was in an email (that's why it's not here!).
>
> Yup that would explain it. Doh!
>
> > Looking forward to seeing this fearsome weaponry in action at the next
> > Brickwars!
>
> I'll certainly bring along a squad. I haven't decided whether to field them.
> I think I'm still better off with long bows.
>
> I seem to recall that historically crossbows replaced longbows because while
> they took longer to load aim and fire, any idiot could load a crossbow and
> fire it reasonably accurately.
Longbows were replaced by firearms, not crossbows, and that was primarily out
of disuse more than effectiveness.
Bruce
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In lugnet.loc.au, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> Longbows were replaced by firearms, not crossbows, and that was primarily out
> of disuse more than effectiveness.
Cool.
How come longbows fell into disuse? And and how come we bothered with
crossbows at all?
I love finding out about this stuff :-)
Regards
Richard
Still baldly going...
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IIRC crossbows were used because they were A LOT more accurate than
longbows.
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In lugnet.loc.au, Jonathan Wilson writes:
> IIRC crossbows were used because they were A LOT more accurate than
> longbows.
Dare I say it - this isn't accurate. :-)
Crossbows are extremely accurate and powerful weapons, but more importantly
they are easier to be accurate with (point it at what you want to hit and
shoot). Longbows are accurate, too, but a lot trickier to use and require a
great deal of training to develop both the strength and skill to use it. But
as pointed out elsewhere, the crossbow did not supplant the longbow (it was
the other way around).
Bruce
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In lugnet.loc.au, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
>
> Crossbows are extremely accurate and powerful weapons,
> but more importantly, they are _easier_ to be accurate with
> (point it at what you want to hit and shoot).
[emphasis mine]
I'd ben meaning to chime in on this,
but you seem to have covered what I would have,
so I'll just say this:
Crossbow - The *original* point-and-click interface.
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. :-P
Franklin
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In lugnet.pirates, Franklin W. Cain writes:
> In lugnet.loc.au, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> >
> > Crossbows are extremely accurate and powerful weapons,
> > but more importantly, they are _easier_ to be accurate with
> > (point it at what you want to hit and shoot).
>
> [emphasis mine]
>
> I'd ben meaning to chime in on this,
> but you seem to have covered what I would have,
> so I'll just say this:
>
> Crossbow - The *original* point-and-click interface.
Fancier models have a scrollpoint. <GD&R>
James
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In lugnet.pirates, Franklin W. Cain writes:
> Crossbow - The *original* point-and-click interface.
>
> Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. :-P
>
> Franklin
Wise guy, hunh? I'll moitalize ya! (Point, click, thunk!)
Bruce
Hmmmm, what does this have to do with pirates? Ah, I know - I give my pirates
the odd crossbow. Adds to that proper motley crew look.
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In lugnet.loc.au, Richard Parsons writes:
> In lugnet.loc.au, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
>
> > Longbows were replaced by firearms, not crossbows, and that was primarily out
> > of disuse more than effectiveness.
>
> Cool.
>
> How come longbows fell into disuse? And and how come we bothered with
> crossbows at all?
>
> I love finding out about this stuff :-)
>
> Regards
>
> Richard
> Still baldly going...
Crossbows were easy to use - there was a lot less training required. Years
less, to be specific. They were good in castle defense when rate of fire was
less important and a pre-drawn bow was valuable - as little time exposed as
possible. The most common crossbows (as opposed to the later windlass drawn
steel arbelests) were cocked by a claw holding onto the string at the archer's
belt and the bow pulled down with a foot stirrup, so it was much more powerful
than a short bow. The only real thing bad about it was it's rate of fire.
Further, they were in broad use before the English longbow came into use. And
the French did NOT trust their peasantry with longbows, unlike the English.
:-)
Longbows fell out of use by sheer laziness. They were still effective in
combat at the time, but people literally found other distractions and a long
enough period of peace that not enough kept up the old skills. "Shall we go
shoot at the butts, or 'ave a game o' skittles an' a beer?" Crossbows were
greatly replaced by longbows in England after the Welsh campaigns (it really
was the Welsh longbow, though a case can be made for them picking it up from
the Vikings, who had a fairly long and powerful bow). Longbows just withered
away on their own - kinda think of it as all those wimpy suitors that couldn't
string Odysseus' powerful bow, much less draw it.
Bruce
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Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:
>
> Longbows fell out of use by sheer laziness. They were still effective in
IIRC, there were still laws in place in England in Elizabethan times
that all the peasants had to spend a certain number of hours a week at
longbow practice, and there were practice grounds in the cities, but as
you say people got lazy and the laws were not enforced.
Kevin
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Dave Low wrote in message ...
>
> I've figured out a way to make a bayonet. (warning: involves mods)
> Take a modern rifle, an adventurers camera and a divers knife. You can get • the
> first two in many adventurers sets, the last is more uncommon.
Well, if the Sydney Brickwars event is held after/during LegOz 2000.8 in
October, then I can bring about 40 spare Divers knives for trade if anybody
wants them - I've certainly got no use for that many! I can bring a few
rifles and movie cameras too.
I could also bring about about 40 of this part in grey:
http://www.lugnet.com/cad/ldraw/parts/ref/images/6140.gif
Which, it strikes me, would make a visually superior (i.e. less bulky) and
more economical (i.e. two per part) alternative to the camera spools, with a
little more surgery required (for instance, boring the stud holes right
through, although this lets you control the tightness of the fit - which is
a good thing).
Cheers,
Paul
LUGNET member 164
http://www.geocities.com/doctorshnub/
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In lugnet.loc.au, Paul Baulch writes:
> Well, if the Sydney Brickwars event is held after/during LegOz 2000.8 in
> October, then I can bring about 40 spare Divers knives for trade if anybody
> wants them - I've certainly got no use for that many! I can bring a few
> rifles and movie cameras too.
> I could also bring about about 40 of this part in grey:
> http://www.lugnet.com/cad/ldraw/parts/ref/images/6140.gif
<<expletive deleted to protect the innocent and faint of heart>> decent of you
Paul :-)
Look forward to seeing you!
Regards
Richard
Still baldly going...
907 and closing...
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In lugnet.loc.au, Richard Parsons writes:
> I'll try to temporarily post some pics anon.
Like these!
http://www.hinet.net.au/~rparsons/port/images/musket3.jpg
http://www.hinet.net.au/~rparsons/port/images/musket2.jpg
http://www.hinet.net.au/~rparsons/port/images/musket1.jpg
Regards
Richard
Still baldly going...
http://www.hinet.net.au/~rparsons/port/
905 and closing...
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