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Jake,
please, please shut up! Do you believe what you are writing?
We don`t need your way of community development.
I give you a good hint: Look for another job!
We don`t trust in any word from you nor TLC. Tomorrow white will die, then
red, then....
TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
You are now loosing your most loyal fans.
Dirk
"Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:HxAwE3.MI9@lugnet.com...
> Many people have asked what colors are currently considered "universal" or
> locked. This means that these colors will almost certainly never be • changed.
> Universal colors are colors that we consider to be untouchable for change.
>
> While the final list of extended "locked" colors has not been finalized • yet, at
> minimum, the universal colors will include:
>
> - red
> - green
> - blue
> - yellow
> - white
> - black
> - new light gray
> - new dark gray
> - new brown
>
> This list will grow from what I understand, as decisions are made • internally in
> the next couple of weeks about what colors do should be added to this • list.
>
> But for sure, the colors above are locked, and considered universal. • They're
> here for the very long term. Like a good club, once you're on the list, • you're
> on the list.
>
> Jake
> ---
> Jake McKee
> Community Liaison
> LEGO Community Development
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
> Jake,
>
> please, please shut up! Do you believe what you are writing?
> We don`t need your way of community development.
> I give you a good hint: Look for another job!
>
> We don`t trust in any word from you nor TLC. Tomorrow white will die, then
> red, then....
>
> TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
>
> You are now loosing your most loyal fans.
>
> Dirk
Dirk,
I think this post was rude and uncalled for. How would you like to be called
useless? I sure wouldn't. You basically just called Jake a moron. Whether or
not you agree with the TLC's decision does not give you the right to have a
nasty tone and to be condescending. Constructive criticism instead of
destructive criticism please.
-Orion
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
> Jake,
>
> please, please shut up! Do you believe what you are writing?
> We don`t need your way of community development.
> I give you a good hint: Look for another job!
>
> We don`t trust in any word from you nor TLC. Tomorrow white will die, then
> red, then....
>
> TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
>
> You are now loosing your most loyal fans.
>
> Dirk
I don't care for the color change - they should have thought about backwards
compatiblity and inviolate colors before they made the change. If they had, I
really doubt they would have be having this discussion. That they won't change
back is probably as much a matter of inertia and career protection as
aesthetics.
Be that as it may, I rather doubt any of that was officially expressed to Jake,
nor are my suspicions hardly a certainty. There is utterly no need to get
personally insulting to Jake - I've been on the other side of this kind of
discussion as a company's representative, and it is very apparent to me that
Jake is doing his absolute best to illuminate the concerns of the AFOL to Lego
and win what concessions he can, all in a stunningly professional manner.
-->Bruce<--
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
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TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
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I really hope someone hacked into your system and wrote this message. I would
be really embarassed to be associated with a hobby in which fans speak with such
lack of class and civility.
If this is the way AFOLs behave (and I stress the A for Adult), then it’s no
wonder that TLC treats our opinions with a grain of salt.
-Bryan
P.S. And for the record, I am not in favour of the colour change myself.
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"Dirk Meier" <dirk.meier@surfeu.de> wrote in message
news:HxB097.1A8r@lugnet.com...
> Jake,
>
> please, please shut up! Do you believe what you are writing?
> We don`t need your way of community development.
> I give you a good hint: Look for another job!
>
> We don`t trust in any word from you nor TLC. Tomorrow white will die, then
> red, then....
>
> TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
>
> You are now loosing your most loyal fans.
>
> Dirk
Okay - timeout.
Really.
There is absolutely no need for that.
Whatever the AFOLs concerns are with new colors, there is absolutely no need
for that.
Just think about it for a minute - without Jake, the LEGO company would
hardly know that we exist as a group.
I met Jake once and within just a few minutes of talking to him, I can
honestly say that he has our best interests at heart. He is an AFOL himself,
not just some corporate guy who has little interest in his position.
You may want Jake to look for another job, but I certainly don't. Jake
literally fights tooth and nail to make the company aware of us adult LEGO
fans - it is a slow job, but he is making a lot of progress. That the
company is doing anything for us is directly because of the Jakes, Brads and
Kates of this world. Personally I wish there were more of them in the
company.
Without this representation, we wouldn't even have anyone to complain to
about the new colors other than to ourselves. The LEGO company certainly
wouldn't be aware of the fans concerns to the extent that they now are and
they certainly wouldn't be talking about producing a limited range of items
in the old colors.
TLC have made some amazing inroads to helping serve us adult fans better and
I am sure there is a lot more to come.
Is it perfect? No, of course not - but LEGO is a big company, we are a niche
area for them and like a big ship, it takes a long time to change course,
but they are doing so and are gaining momentum.
I don't see many other companies doing so much for a section of their
customers that the product wasn't originally intended for.
Jake - hopefully you realise that despite how passionate we may get over
things, most of us don't feel quite as extreme as Dirk.
Richard.
www.briktrak.com
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I don't believe your ranting is serving any useful purpose.
I personally think that Jake is doing everything he can to help. That's a
[hard] thing to do. When you're in customer support, it's a very difficult
thing to keep certain customers happy when changes are made.
Jeff
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Hi,
get me right:
Jake tries his best - I know, but I cannot imagine he is really believing
what he is writing. Then he could not be an AFOL.
For him it must be frustrating. So this was my intention to give him the
hint to look for a new job. No one could bare this load.
Normally I write nice and calm postings, but this evening I understood that
my hobby just end in these days.
This makes me crazy. And it really annoys me - let say hurts me deeply. It's
too late now for constructive criticism.
Then there is a cultural difference. Germans tell what they think. Americans
are always nice. Germans are straight ahead.
If you could read german, then read the the today 1000steine postinga. The
air is hot there!
At the weekend I will bring my bricks up to the loft...
Dirk
"Dirk Meier" <dirk.meier@surfeu.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:HxB097.1A8r@lugnet.com...
> Jake,
>
> please, please shut up! Do you believe what you are writing?
> We don`t need your way of community development.
> I give you a good hint: Look for another job!
>
> We don`t trust in any word from you nor TLC. Tomorrow white will die, then
> red, then....
>
> TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
>
> You are now loosing your most loyal fans.
>
> Dirk
>
>
> "Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:HxAwE3.MI9@lugnet.com...
> > Many people have asked what colors are currently considered "universal" • or
> > locked. This means that these colors will almost certainly never be • changed.
> > Universal colors are colors that we consider to be untouchable for • change.
> >
> > While the final list of extended "locked" colors has not been finalized • yet, at
> > minimum, the universal colors will include:
> >
> > - red
> > - green
> > - blue
> > - yellow
> > - white
> > - black
> > - new light gray
> > - new dark gray
> > - new brown
> >
> > This list will grow from what I understand, as decisions are made • internally in
> > the next couple of weeks about what colors do should be added to this • list.
> >
> > But for sure, the colors above are locked, and considered universal. • They're
> > here for the very long term. Like a good club, once you're on the list, • you're
> > on the list.
> >
> > Jake
> > ---
> > Jake McKee
> > Community Liaison
> > LEGO Community Development
>
>
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
>
> get me right:
> Jake tries his best - I know, but I cannot imagine he is really believing
> what he is writing. Then he could not be an AFOL.
> For him it must be frustrating. So this was my intention to give him the
> hint to look for a new job. No one could bare this load.
Jake has said many times that he doesn't lie to the AFOL community.
> Then there is a cultural difference. Germans tell what they think. Americans
> are always nice. Germans are straight ahead.
> If you could read german, then read the the today 1000steine postinga. The
> air is hot there!
Have you had business dealings with "far east" cultures like the Japanese? If
you ask them to do something, and they aren't going to do it, they don't tell
you "No" at all, because that simply isn't done in their culture. You'll get
all sorts of answers that, as a westerner, would lead you to believe that their
answer was really a "Maybe", or perhaps a "Qualified yes". This can definately
come back to haunt you.
I've also had dealings with Germans and other Europeans. We had one customer
that we used to call the "Angry Austrian". He never held anything back and
always told you exactly what he thought. In reality, his suggestions were
always valid from his point of view, and we always respected them.
Unfortunately, we couldn't always make the changes he wanted in our products.
I know how Jake feels.
> At the weekend I will bring my bricks up to the loft...
Do you mean that you will be placing your bricks into storage? Just curious. I
think something may have been lost in translation.
Jeff
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
> Jake tries his best - I know, but I cannot imagine he is really believing
> what he is writing. Then he could not be an AFOL.
> For him it must be frustrating. So this was my intention to give him the
> hint to look for a new job. No one could bare this load.
I think Jake is honest with us and passes along any information that is
important to the community, whether good or bad. I'm sure he believes it.
> Normally I write nice and calm postings, but this evening I understood that
> my hobby just end in these days.
> This makes me crazy. And it really annoys me - let say hurts me deeply. It's
> too late now for constructive criticism.
Well, let's put this into perspective. LEGO is a hobby to most of us. We usually
can't make a living with it, so it's just a fun hobby. If changes in LEGO's
products make you this nuts, then you're taking it too seriously.
I think we should all be very grateful that Jake's job exists and that he
communicates with us as he does. As a lot of us have observed, companies don't
usually interact with their fans to the extent LEGO does.
Jake has done a terrific job and I applaud him.
> Then there is a cultural difference. Germans tell what they think. Americans
> are always nice. Germans are straight ahead.
> If you could read german, then read the the today 1000steine postinga. The
> air is hot there!
Despite what culture you belong to, there is a common sense of courtesy and
gratitude. Everyone should feel that. And there are definitely better and more
intelligent ways of expressing yourself than stating "LEGO Sucks".
-TJ
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
> At the weekend I will bring my bricks up to the loft...
It's unfortunate that you are unable to adapt your hobby to these changes.
I've been eyeing some of my mocs that I actually want to change over to the new
colors to improve them. The added bonus is this will free up some of the older
colors for future projects that they are better suited for. I'm just waiting for
the prices on Bricklink to come down - right now the new colors cost more than
the old!
Spencer
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In lugnet.general, Jeff Findley wrote:
> Have you had business dealings with "far east" cultures like the Japanese?
> If you ask them to do something, and they aren't going to do it, they don't
> tell you "No" at all, because that simply isn't done in their culture.
> You'll get all sorts of answers that, as a westerner, would lead you to
> believe that their answer was really a "Maybe", or perhaps a "Qualified
> yes". This can definately come back to haunt you.
A friend of mine is in a teaching program in Japan, and he's been commenting on
some of the more odd instances of culture shock. One of the most interesting
ones was finding out that some of the local residents will just cut in line
whenever they please because there's little risk of anyone objecting. And if
they do object, the closest equivalent to "excuse me" basically involves
admitting that the whole situation is, in fact, _your_ fault for having the
audacity to impose yourself upon the person who just cut in line, and asking if
he would be at all gracious enough to forgive you for doing so. It's even more
difficult to wade through this process when you're a Westerner who barely has a
grasp of the culture to begin with.
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
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Hi,
Then there is a cultural difference. Germans tell what they think. Americans
are always nice. Germans are straight ahead.
If you could read german, then read the the today 1000steine postinga. The
air is hot there!
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Schnipp
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TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
You are now loosing your most loyal fans.
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Hey, speak for yourself !
I can say what I think and do it in a civilized manner (at least I hope my
english is good enough ;) I am also not annoyed. I do like the new colors for my
space-junk-mocs but I’ll also miss the old grey.
And a big Thank You to Jake for the update. I appreciate the effort TLC puts
into the fan communities.
Who cares for a color change, when you can build a Millenium Falcon like this:
I prefer people with imagination like this or humor like that:
Viele Grüße,
->dö
“I’m not even supposed to be here today!”
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
> Jake,
>
> please, please shut up! Do you believe what you are writing?
> We don`t need your way of community development.
> I give you a good hint: Look for another job!
>
> We don`t trust in any word from you nor TLC. Tomorrow white will die, then
> red, then....
>
> TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
>
> You are now loosing your most loyal fans.
>
> Dirk
Dirk,
Are you *sure* your an *adult* fan of LEGO? I don't doubt the "fan of LEGO"
part, but I do seriously question the adult part.
Are you saying you are more loyal than me? I'm sure not going anywhere. More
colors mean more options.
I invite you to look for another hobby, rather than Jake looking for another
job.
You need to understand the Jake has no control over what is happening. He is
not in a position to make any decisions. He can report what we fans say, and
report what the decision makers decide. To attack him because you do not like
the decisions made by the decision makers is breaking one of those basic life
lessons: "Don't shoot the messenger".
Your post shows a distinct lack of maturity. I thought I was intense, but
you've got me beat by a long shot.
Feel free to send me all your lego when you give up the hobby. I'll pay for
the shipping.
I'm an american that speaks his mind. Maybe that is the bull headed german
that I got from my Grandma Hoffman, or maybe that is my short tempered isrish
blood from Grandpa Clague.
Kevin
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Hi Kevin,
I like your direct style!
Yes I am an adult, and I'm mature. But no longer a fan of LEGO.
It was not my intention to annoy any AFOL!
Sorry, if this was a result of my postings!
Then it even would have been better not to write a single line.
I will take your invitation for another hobby.
Yesterday I have realized that I should stop now.
I didn`t pick a brick for playing now for nearly half a year (with the
exception of some hours on a saturday in March).
The one and only reason is the colour change. I don't trust LEGO anymore.
And I will no longer indirectly support LEGO by presenting MOCs in the
Internet or in public meetings. But this was the most funny part of the
hobby.
For my next hobby I will make sure, that there is a second source!
Yes, I will put all my bricks to my storage - thanks to Jeff for the correct
translation ;-)
No I will not sell them. May in some weeks, some months, some years or some
decades,
LEGO comes back with the old (before 2004) colours and concepts.
Then - maybe - I will be prepared to return.
But I don`t see this.
My quote was alway "I don't sell (my) LEGO". This is now the motto of LEGO?
Then about Jake. I could not agree to what he was writing. He takes me for a
ride (correct translation for "verarschen" ? - Jeff?).
"Universal colours" - "they will stay forever". Bullshit!
I really had a good time in the last years as an AFOL. Really enjoyed the
meetings. But as always you have to know when to stop.
Maybe I should have stopped two days ago?!
If anybody is interested in my photos on brickshelf I shot in the LEGOLAND
parks and on several meetings, be quick! I will delete this unwanted LEGO
advertising in the next weeks to save space on Kevin M. Loch`s server!
Thanxs for listening to me.
The bricks stopped rolling for me.
Dirk "Rollingbricks"
"Kevin L. Clague" <kevin_clague@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:HxBEou.1s8J@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
> > Jake,
> >
> > please, please shut up! Do you believe what you are writing?
> > We don`t need your way of community development.
> > I give you a good hint: Look for another job!
> >
> > We don`t trust in any word from you nor TLC. Tomorrow white will die, • then
> > red, then....
> >
> > TLC really sucks! German AFOLs are very annoyed!
> >
> > You are now loosing your most loyal fans.
> >
> > Dirk
>
> Dirk,
>
> Are you *sure* your an *adult* fan of LEGO? I don't doubt the "fan of • LEGO"
> part, but I do seriously question the adult part.
>
> Are you saying you are more loyal than me? I'm sure not going anywhere. • More
> colors mean more options.
>
> I invite you to look for another hobby, rather than Jake looking for • another
> job.
>
> You need to understand the Jake has no control over what is happening. • He is
> not in a position to make any decisions. He can report what we fans say, • and
> report what the decision makers decide. To attack him because you do not • like
> the decisions made by the decision makers is breaking one of those basic • life
> lessons: "Don't shoot the messenger".
>
> Your post shows a distinct lack of maturity. I thought I was intense, • but
> you've got me beat by a long shot.
>
> Feel free to send me all your lego when you give up the hobby. I'll pay • for
> the shipping.
>
> I'm an american that speaks his mind. Maybe that is the bull headed • german
> that I got from my Grandma Hoffman, or maybe that is my short tempered • isrish
> blood from Grandpa Clague.
>
> Kevin
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In lugnet.general, Dirk Meier wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
> I like your direct style!
Thanks Dirk.
Enjoy your hibernation and I hope you find your new hobby relaxing, enjoyable
and stress free.
Kevin
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