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"Kelly McKiernan" <kelly@anagrafyxx.com> wrote in message news:Hx9zyp.13J@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.lego, David Laswell wrote:
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> > Why stop there? Call it Nazi Death-Slaver Grey and you get the whole
> > spectrum.
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> OK, now that's just over the line. Assigning a color as "Nazi" is bad enough,
> but adding "Death Slaver" to it pushes it over. Don't like the color change?
> Fine. But I personally take exception when someone associates a relatively minor
> change in LEGO materials to WWII Nazi slavery. It's simply not appropriate when
> discussing a [toy], especially one with a massive market share in Germany as
> well as the rest of Europe.
>
> Kelly
Isn't it even worse when certain Nazis take a few newsgroup posts a little too seriously? ;) It's not like someone's really going
to connect LEGO with Nazis.
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Markham Carroll
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The solid news is appreciated. Personally, I still don’t believe that the
Lugnet community knows the true reasons for the color change. Also, I don’t
think we have heard of the “good” effects these changes were supposed to
produce.
I have been buying Lego for over 25 years. Throughout those 25 years I have
remained hopefull year after year that parts I was looking for in certain colors
would be produced. Sometimes that happened, sometimes not. Now with the color
changes, all hope has been lost. Sadly, many of the parts I had wanted for
years had recently become available in the right colors. But, then, like a bad
dream, the colors were changed thus turning those desired parts into junk!
I DO remain optimistic that, given enough time to see the bad sales effect of
these new colors, the color changes will be reversed. I predict that sometime
in the year 2006 Jake will be coming here to tell us that the traditional
colors are coming back and the new colors have been discarded. Remember, the
Lego Company takes a long time to make decisions sometimes.
I have tried to use the new Nazi grays and muddy chocolate brown colors for
making my creations and I still find those colors unacceptable.
Now, as for parts I consider essential in the old colors, everyone has forgotten
to mention the parts I use the most:
SLOPES
S L O P E S
SLOPES
For years and years I wanted to build brown roofs for buildings. Just as soon
as I got a good supply of Brown slopes, Lego ruined the color. And the same for
Light and Dark Gray. Dark Gray roofs slopes roofs are awesome! But NOT roofs
built the the new Nazi Gray! BLECH!!!
If I could request some bulk items in the traditional colors, it would be
comprehensive roof slopes in 45 degree and 75 degree assortments. These
comprehensive packs should contain the whole complimentary spectrum of useful
slopes including inside and outside corners and apex pieces.
Just this week I took delivery of a BrickLink order worth $400 that was one
hundred percent slopes. And 60 percent of that was Dark Gray. (Thanks, Troy).
I have spent countless hundreds of dollars buying slopes, but I hope I never
have to buy any in the new Nazi Grays and Muddy Brown colors.
Sincerely
Kevin Salm
LUCNY
PS. I don’t care what the offical names for the new colors are, I will always
refer to them as Nazi Grays and Muddy Brown. Those names are suitably evil for
colors that truly deserve them. If TLC wants to be known as the company the
produces toys in Nazi Gray colors, so be it!
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In lugnet.general, Kevin Salm wrote:
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Now, as for parts I consider essential in the old colors, everyone has
forgotten to mention the parts I use the most:
SLOPES
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Good catch!
I agree, a well rounded pack including concave and convex corners and caps, in
each of the popular slope factors (33, 45, 75), and another one with the basic
slopes themselves, would be well received.
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In lugnet.general, Kevin Salm wrote:
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I have tried to use the new Nazi grays and muddy chocolate brown colors for
making my creations and I still find those colors unacceptable.
PS. I don’t care what the offical names for the new colors are, I will
always refer to them as Nazi Grays and Muddy Brown. Those names are suitably
evil for colors that truly deserve them. If TLC wants to be known as the
company the produces toys in Nazi Gray colors, so be it!
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Awesome naming method! I had just gotten used to calling old/classic Grays &
Browns “True Gray” & “True Brown,” and the new grays and browns “false gray” and
“false brown.” I like your nomenclature better though. I think I’ll start
using it.
We could also call the new dark gray “Confederate gray” and thus
equate it with the evilness of slavery.
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In lugnet.lego, David Gregory wrote:
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Awesome naming method! I had just gotten used to calling old/classic Grays &
Browns “True Gray” & “True Brown,” and the new grays and browns “false gray”
and “false brown.” I like your nomenclature better though. I think I’ll
start using it.
We could also call the new dark gray “Confederate gray”
and thus equate it with the evilness of slavery.
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Why stop there? Call it Nazi Death-Slaver Grey and you get the whole spectrum.
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In lugnet.lego, David Laswell wrote:
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In lugnet.lego, David Gregory wrote:
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Awesome naming method! I had just gotten used to calling old/classic Grays
& Browns “True Gray” & “True Brown,” and the new grays and browns “false
gray” and “false brown.” I like your nomenclature better though. I think
I’ll start using it.
We could also call the new dark gray “Confederate
gray” and thus equate it with the evilness of slavery.
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Why stop there? Call it Nazi Death-Slaver Grey and you get the whole
spectrum.
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OK, now that’s just over the line. Assigning a color as “Nazi” is bad enough,
but adding “Death Slaver” to it pushes it over. Don’t like the color change?
Fine. But I personally take exception when someone associates a relatively minor
change in LEGO materials to WWII Nazi slavery. It’s simply not appropriate when
discussing a toy, especially one with a massive market share in Germany as
well as the rest of Europe.
Kelly
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In lugnet.lego, Kelly McKiernan wrote:
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In lugnet.lego, David Laswell wrote:
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In lugnet.lego, David Gregory wrote:
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Awesome naming method! I had just gotten used to calling old/classic Grays
& Browns “True Gray” & “True Brown,” and the new grays and browns “false
gray” and “false brown.” I like your nomenclature better though. I think
I’ll start using it.
We could also call the new dark gray “Confederate
gray” and thus equate it with the evilness of slavery.
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Why stop there? Call it Nazi Death-Slaver Grey and you get the whole
spectrum.
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OK, now that’s just over the line. Assigning a color as “Nazi” is bad enough,
but adding “Death Slaver” to it pushes it over. Don’t like the color change?
Fine. But I personally take exception when someone associates a relatively
minor change in LEGO materials to WWII Nazi slavery. It’s simply not
appropriate when discussing a toy, especially one with a massive market
share in Germany as well as the rest of Europe.
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FYI, you might find this post of interest:
http://news.lugnet.com/lego/?n=731
Though I get the impression that “Wehrmachtsgrau” doesn’t necessarily imply
“Nazi” but military or army gray, instead. At least Babel Fish says it means
“Armed forces-grey”.
Mark
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In lugnet.lego, Kelly McKiernan wrote:
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OK, now that’s just over the line.
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It was intended in a sarcastic vein, which I appear to have failed to adequately
express. I fully understand the logic behind calling it “Nazi grey” (I actually
prefer “gun-metal grey”), on the basis that it’s reported to be very close to
the colors used on their military vehicles. The concept of calling it
“Confederate grey” in an attempt to equate it with slavery, on the other hand,
appears more motivated by negative association with the Confederates themselves
than with the colors they wore. The shade of grey cloth known as “Confederate
grey” appears to be closest to the old light-grey with a tinge of brown. The
blue-grey shade currently associated with the Confederates is called Richmond
Grey, and it’s quite a bit darker than either dark-grey shade. There’s simply
no chromatic justification for calling the new dark-grey “Confederate grey”.
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PS. I don’t care what the offical names for the new colors are, I will
always refer to them as Nazi Grays and Muddy Brown. Those names are suitably
evil for colors that truly deserve them. If TLC wants to be known as the
company the produces toys in Nazi Gray colors, so be it!
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I wonder what the Crayola company would have said about this. I think that the
proper terms are definitely not the same as the old, but as you have said have
new names.
It’s as though we are being “Enron-ed” by LEGO into accepting that the same
colors are still available. I think that’s where the majority of my gripe comes
from. Blue-Light Grey, Blue-Dark Grey and Red-Brown simply are not the same
colors as those they replace. No box of 64 Crayola’s would suggest it be so, no
art student/teacher would accept it, and no child will say they are the same.
Only LEGO (the Company Entity) says that This is That. If you watch the TV
series “Angel”, LEGO is pulling a Goddess Jasmine on us.
For the record, I am not intending to rant. I am not complaining about the
availablity of colors. The only complaint I have is how they are being sold as
“the same”.
Other than that, sheesh, this topic just won’t go away. No matter how hard I
try to avoid it.
Sorry for the blah-blah.
-Aaron-
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In lugnet.lego, Aaron West wrote:
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I wonder what the Crayola company would have said about this.
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“Look: new colors!” They do it all the time, especially on the 64-crayon box (I
can’t remember exactly how often they do it, but the box always has some
sort of graphic designed to catch your attention when they rotate new colors
in). Of course, unless you’re building stuff with them like Lincoln Logs, or
making drawings the size of your lawn, color compatibility between one year’s
batch and the next is hardly important. By the time you get a new box of
crayons, most of the previous batch should be fairly well used up and ready for
outright replacement with new crayons, or donation to someone who’s stuck with
one of the dinky boxes.
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In lugnet.lego, David Gregory wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Kevin Salm wrote:
> >
> > PS. I don't care what the offical names for the new colors are, I will
> > always refer to them as Nazi Grays and Muddy Brown. Those names are
> > suitably evil for colors that truly deserve them. If TLC wants to be known
> > as the company the produces toys in Nazi Gray colors, so be it!
> ¬
> Awesome naming method! I had just gotten used to calling old/classic Grays &
> Browns "True Gray" & "True Brown," and the new grays and browns "false gray"
> and "false brown." I like your nomenclature better though. I think I'll
> start using it.¬ ¬ We could also call the new dark gray "Confederate gray"
> and thus equate it with the evilness of slavery.
I have been having a bit of trouble with the Bricklink
convention, that is the use of "bluish grey" (less with
"reddish brown" however). It seems to me like a better
solution would be to call them *cold* greys--which they
really do seem to me to be, as a former and occasional
graphic designer. Yes, the blue is there, but the big
difference is really in warmth apparent.
So yeah, I'm all for just "cold grey." It's accurate, it's
succinct, and if you're into character assassination of the
new bricks, it's COLD, man, just cold.
Everybody's happy! (or at least less unhappy.)
best
LFB
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