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Now, don't get me wrong, I think Jar-Jar was the worst thing about Ep. 1, but
I can't help but love the lego version. I've got 12 Gungans, and I use em for
orcs and ogres. Right now they're all tan, but I plan on making a few green,
grey, orange maybe, etc when I get around to learning how to paint and greatly
modify ABS (any pointers Craig?). What I'm getting at is WHY does everyone
hate the lego Jar-Jar? Granted, he only has (as of yet) 2 uses: Jar-Jar, or
an orc. Now, if you're not into the fantasy side of Castle, just the
historical acurateness, then I could understand why you dislike him, but what
other reason could you have? Just wondering...
-Chris
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Chris
While I can appreciate your creative nature in adapting old JAR-JAR for use as
an ORC or Goblin type creature, that's just not how I picture my Orcs. I
would love to put more fantasy type creatures into my lego creations but I see
Orcs as being more ape-like and JAR-JAR isn't a good replacement in my mind.
Until lego decides to buy the license for the upcoming "Lord of the Rings"
movie (we can only hope, think of the Castle type sets they could create from
that???? WOW!!!!) JAR-JAR and his Gungan brothers will be as close as we will
get to anything resembling an Orc. Perhaps I could spray paint a bunch of
those Timmy (lego maniac) figures dark green, brown, or black and use them
instead of JAR-JAR for my Orcs????? Maybe I'll just hold off.
Andy
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In lugnet.castle, Chris Maddison writes:
> Now, don't get me wrong, I think Jar-Jar was the worst thing about Ep. 1, but
> I can't help but love the lego version. I've got 12 Gungans, and I use em for
> orcs and ogres. Right now they're all tan, but I plan on making a few green,
> grey, orange maybe, etc when I get around to learning how to paint and greatly
> modify ABS (any pointers Craig?). What I'm getting at is WHY does everyone
> hate the lego Jar-Jar? Granted, he only has (as of yet) 2 uses: Jar-Jar, or
> an orc. Now, if you're not into the fantasy side of Castle, just the
> historical acurateness, then I could understand why you dislike him, but what
> other reason could you have? Just wondering...
> -Chris
I found Jar-Jar vaguely annoying, but my son thought he was hysterically funny.
If people want to discard Jar-Jars cheap, I suppose I can find a use for him
(though my pirates would still prefer Timmy to practice their fiendish tortures
on).
Painting ABS. I recommend acrylic hobby paints - easier to work with, faster
drying time, less toxic fumes (always work in a well ventilated area, use a
hands free magnifying glass if you want to be able to read as you get older).
Soak the pieces to be painted in warm water and mild soap (liquid hand
dishwashing detergent). This removes casting oil (so the piece comes free of
the mold) or finger oil (fingers are oily even if you just washed them). Your
paint will stick better and flow on smoother.
Prime the figure with white paint unless you are just adding minor detail. If
you are going to use metallics, further paint in black (for silvers) or dark
brown (for golds/bronzes). Yes, still prime in white beforehand. Trust me -
your figure WILL look 100% better if you do all this. I can spot unprimed
figures or metallics over white a mile away.
Get a decent brush 0 and maybe a OOO for detail (the more zeroes the finer the
brush). Actual size depends on the maker - they are not consistent between
manufacturers. Sable watercolor brushes work well. Really cheap brushes will
frustrate you, but you don't need Windsor-Newton Series 7. Don't get the paint
in the ferule (the metal bit holding the hairs in place). Always clean your
brushes. Don't leave them such that the hairs are bent (permenant morning
hair). Always repoint your brush (DON'T put it in your mouth - some paints are
quite toxic).
Half the trick to getting detail is controlling the thickness of the paint
(with acrylics, you thin with water). Experiment on expendables first.
Bruce
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I've always wondered why everyone who hates Jar-Jar Binks seems to not mind c-
3po, who is the slightly less annoying Jar-Jar of the original trilogy.
I understand that 3-po wasn't always mugging for the camera, had a few serious
lines, and wasn't blatantly pandering to the child audience, but 3-po was
walking comic relief throughout most of the entire trilogy. Just as Jar-Jar
was.
He bumbles through laser battles (on the way to the escape pod)every bit as
unbelieveably as Jar Jar destroys the droid army. Much like Jar-Jar He says
stupid things at the worst times (Like whenever Han Solo is about to do
something cool). He babbles on about things we could care less about.
They fill the same role in the films, but I submit that the reason that no one
likes Jar-Jar and everyone likes threepio is that we experienced threepio as a
child, and Jar-Jar as an adult. We were hoping that Ep.1 would be more like
the Matrix, than Return of the Jedi.
YOu have to suspend the same amount of disbelief to believe Return of THe
Jedi, as you do Episode 1. What with all of the Teddy bears with rocks and
sticks, beating up armored stormtroopers with lasers and all. Jon
Ps, why bother wearing that white stormtrooper armor if an arrow or a rock
still hurts you?
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In lugnet.castle, Jon Furman writes:
> I've always wondered why everyone who hates Jar-Jar Binks seems to not mind c-
> 3po, who is the slightly less annoying Jar-Jar of the original trilogy.
>
> I understand that 3-po wasn't always mugging for the camera, had a few serious
> lines, and wasn't blatantly pandering to the child audience, but 3-po was
> walking comic relief throughout most of the entire trilogy. Just as Jar-Jar
> was.
>
> He bumbles through laser battles (on the way to the escape pod)every bit as
> unbelieveably as Jar Jar destroys the droid army. Much like Jar-Jar He says
> stupid things at the worst times (Like whenever Han Solo is about to do
> something cool). He babbles on about things we could care less about.
>
> They fill the same role in the films, but I submit that the reason that no one
> likes Jar-Jar and everyone likes threepio is that we experienced threepio as a
> child, and Jar-Jar as an adult.
Ummmm, errrrr, you are making a presumption about peoples' ages. Now, maybe if
you had mentioned Robby the Robot and Forbidden Planet...
Bruce
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In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> .>
> Ummmm, errrrr, you are making a presumption about peoples' ages. Now, maybe • if
> you had mentioned Robby the Robot and Forbidden Planet...
You are correct sir. I, like quite a few of the Gen- Xers, seem to forget
that we are not the only ones on the planet(Grinning sheepishly). However,
most of the Jar Jar haters seem to be between the ages of 15-30 (another brash
generalization). Most people I've met over the age of 30 ,with children,
don't quite have such a visceral hatred for him.
I couldn't say anything bad about Robby the robot, or Dr. Morbius, or even
cookie for that matter. If only Jar-Jar were alittle more like Nova, from the
PotA! Jon
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In lugnet.castle, Chris Maddison writes:
> Now, don't get me wrong, I think Jar-Jar was the worst thing about Ep. 1, but
> I can't help but love the lego version. I've got 12 Gungans, and I use em for
> orcs and ogres. Right now they're all tan, but I plan on making a few green,
> grey, orange maybe, etc when I get around to learning how to paint and greatly
> modify ABS (any pointers Craig?). What I'm getting at is WHY does everyone
> hate the lego Jar-Jar? Granted, he only has (as of yet) 2 uses: Jar-Jar, or
> an orc. Now, if you're not into the fantasy side of Castle, just the
> historical acurateness, then I could understand why you dislike him, but what
> other reason could you have? Just wondering...
> -Chris
Why does it have to be two uses? Surely I can use him for a species of people
related to a ancient union between Dragons and Men. In my world the Gungan
minifig is used as Dragonmen, Draconians in the proper, they are peaceful, yet
powerful. By their background they are misunderstood and mistrusted by men,
they are seldom encountered. They are something of a myth. Majisto, the
wizard is one of the few who have ever encountered them, they taught him the
secret of Dragon thought-speak that allows him to communicate with the
Dragons. The Black Witch stole this knowledge from the mind of the elder to
pervert and control the Dragons.
I don't hate the LEGO Jar-Jar, I need more of them!
P.S. Star Wars is fantasy, if you are buying Star Wars for anything other
than parts then you like fantasy. In that context a fantasy character like
Jar Jar is just perfect. Only problem I have with Jar Jar is Lucas' vision of
Gungans being rather goofy. Humor is fine, but silly is just silly.
:)
Aaron
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In lugnet.castle, Andrew Krug writes:
> Chris
>
> While I can appreciate your creative nature in adapting old JAR-JAR for use as
> an ORC or Goblin type creature, that's just not how I picture my Orcs. I
> would love to put more fantasy type creatures into my lego creations but I see
> Orcs as being more ape-like and JAR-JAR isn't a good replacement in my mind.
> Until lego decides to buy the license for the upcoming "Lord of the Rings"
> movie (we can only hope, think of the Castle type sets they could create from
> that???? WOW!!!!) JAR-JAR and his Gungan brothers will be as close as we will
> get to anything resembling an Orc. Perhaps I could spray paint a bunch of
> those Timmy (lego maniac) figures dark green, brown, or black and use them
> instead of JAR-JAR for my Orcs????? Maybe I'll just hold off.
>
> Andy
Try replacing knight heads and warrior heads with the Scorpion guys from the
Hydronaut series! They have a sinister and inhuman appearance. Orcs in the
Tolkien world were Melkor's perversion of the captured Elves into his own
image in ancient Middle Earth history. The head change does the trick just
fine! Try it on some of your old Fright Knight swordsmen with the breastplate
print and see what you think!
:)
Aaron
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> Try replacing knight heads and warrior heads with the Scorpion guys from the
> Hydronaut series! They have a sinister and inhuman appearance. Orcs in the
> Tolkien world were Melkor's perversion of the captured Elves into his own
> image in ancient Middle Earth history. The head change does the trick just
> fine! Try it on some of your old Fright Knight swordsmen with the breastplate
> print and see what you think!
> :)
> Aaron
Aaron
Well thank you for the feedback. Now you have sparked my interest and I'm
going to have to search for some hydronaut sets and see how your suggestion
looks. On the Tolkien subject Lego could use a lot of it's existing pieces
and mini-figs to create Middle Earth/ Lord of the Rings sets. I guess us
Tolkien fans will have to keep our fingers crossed as the release of the movie
approaches. I think a Lord of the Rings theme would have much more Castle
playability then the Harry Potter idea I've heard thrown around here on
LUGNET. Thanks again
Andy
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In lugnet.castle, Chris Maddison writes:
> Now, don't get me wrong, I think Jar-Jar was the worst thing about Ep. 1, but
> I can't help but love the lego version. I've got 12 Gungans, and I use em for
> orcs and ogres.
Interesting application of JarJar...I have considered integrating them into
my Castle/fantasy story as benign amphibians or Sorceror's lizard
stooges...due primarily to the minifig head
> Right now they're all tan, but I plan on making a few green,
> grey, orange maybe, etc when I get around to learning how to paint and greatly
> modify ABS (any pointers Craig?). What I'm getting at is WHY does everyone
> hate the lego Jar-Jar? Granted, he only has (as of yet) 2 uses: Jar-Jar, or
> an orc. Now, if you're not into the fantasy side of Castle, just the
> historical acurateness, then I could understand why you dislike him, but what
> other reason could you have? Just wondering...
> -Chris
I found JarJarannoying in my first few viewings of the movie...I found it
agrivating that he came in so many sets when there were other characters I
would have rather seen.
HOWEVER,
I like the torso and legs....I simply added yellow hands and Ninja theme
heads. I made 1 JarJar torso a swordsmith apprentice. I use about a dozen
of them as ltter barers and galley slaves; a few more as generic Asian style
peasants...
The green torso in the Gungan patrol is really cool...I have turned several
into Green Samurai and green Ninjas...
Essentially my opinion is becoming more positive towards the torsos, but
still nuetral towards the head...I was happy to see a true alien
representation in Lego and I hope this bodes well for future head variation,
like the aforementioned Tolkien creatures...
I would live to see a Walrus man or Hammerhead in a SW Cantina scene...maybe
a greedo?
John
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> From: "Jon Furman" <rambocalrissian@yahoo.com>
> I understand that 3-po wasn't always mugging for the camera, had a few serious
> lines, and wasn't blatantly pandering to the child audience, but 3-po was
> walking comic relief throughout most of the entire trilogy. Just as Jar-Jar
> was.
I think you've pretty much nailed down why people who like Threepio don't
like Jar Jar.
1) Threepio didn't talk in that ridiculous voice. Prissy, yes, baby-talk,
no.
2) Threepio was at times a valuable asset to the adventure.
3) Threepio never stepped in poop.
Jar Jar had no real reason for being in the movie. It would have been quite
simple to rewrite the movie and leave him out completely.
~Mark
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Mark's Lego Creations
http://www.nwlink.com/~sandlin/lego
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I've tried this with Space figs, and they make darn fine aliens as well.
Glad to see someone else thought of this. :^)
~Mark
--
Mark's Lego Creations
http://www.nwlink.com/~sandlin/lego
> From: "Aaron West" <maniac@vol.com>
>
> Try replacing knight heads and warrior heads with the Scorpion guys from the
> Hydronaut series! They have a sinister and inhuman appearance. Orcs in the
> Tolkien world were Melkor's perversion of the captured Elves into his own
> image in ancient Middle Earth history. The head change does the trick just
> fine! Try it on some of your old Fright Knight swordsmen with the breastplate
> print and see what you think!
> :)
> Aaron
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In lugnet.castle, Andrew Krug writes:
> Chris
>
> While I can appreciate your creative nature in adapting old JAR-JAR for use as
> an ORC or Goblin type creature, that's just not how I picture my Orcs. I
> would love to put more fantasy type creatures into my lego creations but I see
> Orcs as being more ape-like
Try putting the knight armor on a Jar-Jar. Even if you don't think it make a
good orc it sure does make a good castle oger,deamon, or whatever. I posted a
few of my ideas here about a week ago.
http://www.lugnet.com/castle/?n=5369
> and JAR-JAR isn't a good replacement in my mind.
> Until lego decides to buy the license for the upcoming "Lord of the Rings"
> movie (we can only hope, think of the Castle type sets they could create from
> that???? WOW!!!!) JAR-JAR and his Gungan brothers will be as close as we will
> get to anything resembling an Orc. Perhaps I could spray paint a bunch of
> those Timmy (lego maniac) figures dark green, brown, or black and use them
> instead of JAR-JAR for my Orcs????? Maybe I'll just hold off.
>
> Andy
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In lugnet.castle, Mark Sandlin writes:
> > From: "Jon Furman" <rambocalrissian@yahoo.com>
>
> > I understand that 3-po wasn't always mugging for the camera, had a few • serious
> > lines, and wasn't blatantly pandering to the child audience, but 3-po was
> > walking comic relief throughout most of the entire trilogy. Just as Jar-Jar
> > was.
>
> I think you've pretty much nailed down why people who like Threepio don't
> like Jar Jar.
>
> 1) Threepio didn't talk in that ridiculous voice. Prissy, yes, baby-talk,
> no.
>
> 2) Threepio was at times a valuable asset to the adventure.
>
> 3) Threepio never stepped in poop.
>
> Jar Jar had no real reason for being in the movie. It would have been quite
> simple to rewrite the movie and leave him out completely.
>
> ~Mark
I think a simple explanation is: Threepio didn't like "adventure" while
Jar-Jar was a "buffoon" Everyone can respect someone who simply demonstrates
pacifism. (even though that was dangerous and naive at times, i.e. "surrender
is a perfectly acceptable alternative the Empire may be gracious enough t-")
Jar-Jar was basically an idiot whose bigest roll was accidentally destroying
half the droid army. Heck at least the teddy bears had a statagey other than
reveloutionary war style advance. (you get hit with a big rock wearing a
helmet and see if it doesn't hurt, trust me it does, also by the time the
imperals regrouped and started fighting as a unit (like they should) they had
already suffered too many causualties to be effective. The arrows were merely
a distraction that allowed the rebels to free themselves.)
-Lord Insanity
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