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In lugnet.announce, Dan Boger wrote:
> Thanks to Jake and TLC, we just posted an official LEGO color chart, with RGB,
> CMYK, and Pantone colors, and a danglish name!
>
> Take a look:
>
> http://www.peeron.com/cgi-bin/invcgis/colorguide.cgi
>
> We will be working in the next few weeks with LDraw to associate each of these
> colors with our current names.
>
> :)
>
> Dan and Jennifer Boger
> Peeron.com
Fantastic ! Is that believed to be complete, even inclusive of the odd scala,
belville and HP colors ?
Ray
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On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 08:32:26PM +0000, Ray Sanders wrote:
> Fantastic ! Is that believed to be complete, even inclusive of the odd
> scala, belville and HP colors ?
We can't be sure - we've asked that someone look into it for us. Once
we find out, we'll let you know :)
Dan
--
Dan Boger
dan@peeron.com
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Dan Boger wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 08:32:26PM +0000, Ray Sanders wrote:
> > Fantastic ! Is that believed to be complete, even inclusive of the odd
> > scala, belville and HP colors ?
>
> We can't be sure - we've asked that someone look into it for us. Once
> we find out, we'll let you know :)
>
> Dan
After staring at this list for a while, I think it will be a sea change to use
some of these names. For example: color #25 is called 'Earth Orange'. To my eye,
this looks much darker than the color of a Kaadu (which we have called earth
orange, for lack of more official naming). I am *very* happy to see something
that we can depend on for consistancy, but I see a very real need for a 'Rosetta
stone' to help up transition from the old names (various color naming systems)
to this set.
Ray
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On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 09:25:38PM +0000, Ray Sanders wrote:
> After staring at this list for a while, I think it will be a sea
> change to use some of these names. For example: color #25 is called
> 'Earth Orange'. To my eye, this looks much darker than the color of a
> Kaadu (which we have called earth orange, for lack of more official
> naming). I am *very* happy to see something that we can depend on for
> consistancy, but I see a very real need for a 'Rosetta stone' to help
> up transition from the old names (various color naming systems) to
> this set.
The way I see it, we probably will never switch to calling colors by
their LEGO names - some, like 'Lig. Yellowich Orange' just don't work
for me :) It would be nice to correlate the names we use to the entries
in the table. For that matter, it would be nice to be able to have a
comprehensive chart, that includes all the known naming conventions. The
best bit of data I see getting from LEGO's chart is just the RGB/Pantone
values for the colors. Those we could use, especially in LDraw/POV
applications.
Dan
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Dan Boger
dan@peeron.com
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Dan Boger wrote:
> The way I see it, we probably will never switch to calling colors by
> their LEGO names - some, like 'Lig. Yellowich Orange' just don't work
> for me :) It would be nice to correlate the names we use to the entries
> in the table. For that matter, it would be nice to be able to have a
> comprehensive chart, that includes all the known naming conventions. The
> best bit of data I see getting from LEGO's chart is just the RGB/Pantone
> values for the colors. Those we could use, especially in LDraw/POV
> applications.
>
> Dan
With respect to the RGB and the CMYK numbers... I did a bit of quick reading
about the two color specification models. If I understood it correctly, RGB is
more oriented towards monitor displays, while CMYK (subtractive) is intended to
specify more accurately imaging on a medium (such as paper, etc). Are the CMYK
numbers given for printing those colors ?
Ray
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Ray Sanders wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dev, Dan Boger wrote:
> > The way I see it, we probably will never switch to calling colors by
> > their LEGO names - some, like 'Lig. Yellowich Orange' just don't work
> > for me :) It would be nice to correlate the names we use to the entries
> > in the table. For that matter, it would be nice to be able to have a
> > comprehensive chart, that includes all the known naming conventions. The
> > best bit of data I see getting from LEGO's chart is just the RGB/Pantone
> > values for the colors. Those we could use, especially in LDraw/POV
> > applications.
> >
> > Dan
>
> With respect to the RGB and the CMYK numbers... I did a bit of quick reading
> about the two color specification models. If I understood it correctly, RGB is
> more oriented towards monitor displays, while CMYK (subtractive) is intended to
> specify more accurately imaging on a medium (such as paper, etc). Are the CMYK
> numbers given for printing those colors ?
Ray-
I asked about this and got a sort of vague responce:
The CMYK is given to tell people what the CMYK value is.
If you want to print with it because it is better for printing, then use that.
The values listed are for color the actual plastic.
The point is that the colors are given in a variety of formats for a variety of
purposes... up to the user to choose which one to use.
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Jennifer L. Boger wrote:
> I asked about this and got a sort of vague responce:
>
> The CMYK is given to tell people what the CMYK value is.
> If you want to print with it because it is better for printing, then use >that.
It should be, since most modern printers use cyan, magenta, and yellow ink
for color printing (I'm guessing "K" is for "blacK"?). In working with light,
the primaries are red, blue, and green, and the secondaries are cyan, magenta,
and _amber_ (a bit on the orangy side). It makes sense that they'd want to have
seperate color values for printing, given their fondness for printing color
instruction manuals.
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(I'm guessing "K" is for "blacK"?).
"K" stands for Key, but why black is called key I don't know, you'd have to ask
a printer (Person not a machine!)
Tim
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Jennifer L. Boger wrote:
> I asked about this and got a sort of vague responce:
>
> The CMYK is given to tell people what the CMYK value is.
> If you want to print with it because it is better for printing, then use that.
> The values listed are for color the actual plastic.
> The point is that the colors are given in a variety of formats for a variety of
> purposes... up to the user to choose which one to use.
The way to test this is to do the translation between CMYK and RGB. If the
numbers in the table convert more or less exactly, then we know it's just a
simple translation. If they don't match, then it's likely the CMYK values have
been ajusted for printing.
Unfortunately I don't have a good enough graphics program available to test this
out myself. The few I have only have RGB and HSV.
Derek
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Dan Boger wrote:
> The way I see it, we probably will never switch to calling colors by
> their LEGO names - some, like 'Lig. Yellowich Orange' just don't work
> for me :)
What's wrong with it? "Lig." is an abbreviation for "light" (not the one
we're used to, but...), "yellowich" is only one letter different from
"yellowish"...ah, you must object to their use of the strange foreign word
"orange", right? ;P
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In lugnet.cad.dev, David Laswell wrote:
> "yellowich" is only one letter different from "yellowish"
On further comparison, "Lig. Yellowich Orange" is the only color that uses
the spelling "yellowich", while every other use is spelled "yellowish". I
propose that the C-spelling is a typo and should be corrected.
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In lugnet.cad.dev, David Laswell wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dev, David Laswell wrote:
> > "yellowich" is only one letter different from "yellowish"
>
> On further comparison, "Lig. Yellowich Orange" is the only color that uses
> the spelling "yellowich", while every other use is spelled "yellowish". I
> propose that the C-spelling is a typo and should be corrected.
I've no doubt that it's a typo, but that's what they gave us, we didn't want to
touch it just yet :)
Jennifer
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Ray Sanders wrote:
> After staring at this list for a while, I think it will be a sea change to
> use some of these names. For example: color #25 is called 'Earth Orange'. To
> my eye, this looks much darker than the color of a Kaadu (which we have
> called earth orange, for lack of more official naming).
That's because the official Earth Orange color _is_ darker than the Kaadu.
The Kakama mask and feet used on Huki from the Bionicle line (McD's
Matoran/Tohunga set from September 01) are the color officially termed Earth
Orange (as was listed in the official Kanohi list on Bionicle.com). I have no
idea what they call the color used for the Kaadu, but it is considerably
lighter.
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In lugnet.cad.dev, David Laswell wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dev, Ray Sanders wrote:
> > After staring at this list for a while, I think it will be a sea change to
> > use some of these names. For example: color #25 is called 'Earth Orange'. To
> > my eye, this looks much darker than the color of a Kaadu (which we have
> > called earth orange, for lack of more official naming).
>
> That's because the official Earth Orange color _is_ darker than the
> Kaadu. The Kakama mask and feet used on Huki from the Bionicle line (McD's
> Matoran/Tohunga set from September 01) are the color officially termed Earth
> Orange (as was listed in the official Kanohi list on Bionicle.com). I have
> no idea what they call the color used for the Kaadu, but it is considerably
> lighter.
Whoops. I got my "oranges" mixed up there. The official Earth Orange was
actually identified as what we know as brown (tree pieces, Pohatu, wagon
wheels). The official Kanohi checklist used to identify it as this color, but
some of the more unusual color names (like this one) were changed to be less
confusing. Huki is "Dark Orange", and I have no idea what the Kaadu is, but it
is actually lighter than Huki.
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Dan Boger wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 08:32:26PM +0000, Ray Sanders wrote:
> > Fantastic ! Is that believed to be complete, even inclusive of the odd
> > scala, belville and HP colors ?
>
> We can't be sure - we've asked that someone look into it for us. Once
> we find out, we'll let you know :)
>
> Dan
No, the list is not complete - at BW03 Bill (one of the MasterBuilders) brought
out his color list and let us see it. He even had a color copy of it he handed
out to a few of us. If I recall correctly these are the colors they (the
MasterBuilders) could order, and they were the 2003 colors.
He gave Todd L. the list of names that went with the numbers with the
undersanding Todd would post them, but I do not recall that list ever making it
to the public.
Anyway, I have a pic of the color plate he brought out here:
http://www.landofbricks.com/bl/colors.jpg
You will see the some (maybe all, I did not check each and every one) missing
numbers on the public list are on this example.
It is good to see a list wiggle its way out to the public after all these years.
Kinda funny how we get what we want and say 'ah, ok - well we like our names
better' as I do not see BL using these names either.
Mark P
http://www.landofbricks.com
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Mark Papenfuss wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dev, Dan Boger wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 08:32:26PM +0000, Ray Sanders wrote:
> > > Fantastic ! Is that believed to be complete, even inclusive of the odd
> > > scala, belville and HP colors ?
> >
> > We can't be sure - we've asked that someone look into it for us. Once
> > we find out, we'll let you know :)
> >
> > Dan
>
> No, the list is not complete - at BW03 Bill (one of the MasterBuilders) brought
> out his color list and let us see it. He even had a color copy of it he handed
> out to a few of us. If I recall correctly these are the colors they (the
> MasterBuilders) could order, and they were the 2003 colors.
>
> He gave Todd L. the list of names that went with the numbers with the
> undersanding Todd would post them, but I do not recall that list ever making it
> to the public.
>
> Anyway, I have a pic of the color plate he brought out here:
>
> http://www.landofbricks.com/bl/colors.jpg
>
> You will see the some (maybe all, I did not check each and every one) missing
> numbers on the public list are on this example.
>
> It is good to see a list wiggle its way out to the public after all these years.
> Kinda funny how we get what we want and say 'ah, ok - well we like our names
> better' as I do not see BL using these names either.
>
> Mark P
> http://www.landofbricks.com
I did a comparison of the list from peeron with the color tile swatches from
your photo... The TLC/peeron list has a range of colors above 200 that are not
on the tile swatches. Conversely, the tile swatches are present for the
following numbers that are not on the list: 20, 109, 114, 117, 129, 132, 144 and
156. The TLC list does not mention any glitter colors, but 114, 117, 129 and 132
appear to have glitter. All but 132 may be Clikit colors. 132 (which looks like
black glitter) might be the color used for the SW 7159 buckets. I wonder if all
the other number gaps were once valid colors.
Ray
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> The TLC list does not mention any glitter colors, but 114, 117, 129 and 132
> appear to have glitter. All but 132 may be Clikit colors. 132 (which looks like
> black glitter) might be the color used for the SW 7159 buckets.
> Ray
Possibly the last three in the TLC list are glitter colours, 176 178 and 179,
the 'flip-flop' colours? I'm not certain I think that in paint terms at least
this means colours that change depending on viewing angle
Tim
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Mark Papenfuss wrote:
> He gave Todd L. the list of names that went with the numbers with the
> undersanding Todd would post them, but I do not recall that list ever making it
> to the public.
I asked him if he had cleared it (his distributing it and/or the public
disclosure of it online) with LEGO IP attorneys and he indicated no.
--Todd
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Todd Lehman wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dev, Mark Papenfuss wrote:
> > He gave Todd L. the list of names that went with the numbers with the
> > undersanding Todd would post them, but I do not recall that list ever making it
> > to the public.
>
> I asked him if he had cleared it (his distributing it and/or the public
> disclosure of it online) with LEGO IP attorneys and he indicated no.
>
> --Todd
Ah. All I recall was he wanted to give it to somebody who could get it to the
masses. But since a list was made public by Lego I think it would be safe to put
out the list that you have, if you still have it... Do you still have it?
Mark P
http://www.landofbricks.com
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Mark Papenfuss wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dev, Dan Boger wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 08:32:26PM +0000, Ray Sanders wrote:
> > > Fantastic ! Is that believed to be complete, even inclusive of the odd
> > > scala, belville and HP colors ?
> >
> > We can't be sure - we've asked that someone look into it for us. Once
> > we find out, we'll let you know :)
> >
> > Dan
>
> No, the list is not complete - at BW03 Bill (one of the MasterBuilders) brought
> out his color list and let us see it.
>
> Anyway, I have a pic of the color plate he brought out here:
>
> http://www.landofbricks.com/bl/colors.jpg
>
> You will see the some (maybe all, I did not check each and every one) missing
> numbers on the public list are on this example.
Mark,
Is Maersk Blue included in the picture you have above ? If so, which number is
it ?
Ray
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Ray Sanders wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dev, Mark Papenfuss wrote:
> > In lugnet.cad.dev, Dan Boger wrote:
> > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 08:32:26PM +0000, Ray Sanders wrote:
> > > > Fantastic ! Is that believed to be complete, even inclusive of the odd
> > > > scala, belville and HP colors ?
> > >
> > > We can't be sure - we've asked that someone look into it for us. Once
> > > we find out, we'll let you know :)
> > >
> > > Dan
> >
> > No, the list is not complete - at BW03 Bill (one of the MasterBuilders) brought
> > out his color list and let us see it.
> >
> > Anyway, I have a pic of the color plate he brought out here:
> >
> > http://www.landofbricks.com/bl/colors.jpg
> >
> > You will see the some (maybe all, I did not check each and every one) missing
> > numbers on the public list are on this example.
>
> Mark,
>
> Is Maersk Blue included in the picture you have above ? If so, which number is
> it ?
Not that I recall or can see from the picture. He said that was a list of the
2003 colors that they could order more of, and he said earlier that Maersk was
no longer open for ordering for them.
Hope that helps...
Mark P
http://www.landofbricks.com
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Dan Boger wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 08:32:26PM +0000, Ray Sanders wrote:
> > Fantastic ! Is that believed to be complete, even inclusive of the odd
> > scala, belville and HP colors ?
>
> We can't be sure - we've asked that someone look into it for us. Once
> we find out, we'll let you know :)
>
> Dan
Another thought WRT the completeness of this list... I suspect that the colors
listed here are the ABS colors and do not take into account the various non-ABS
colors being used in some of the Bionicle Krana masks. Those masks are using a
different type of plastic (more pliable/flexible) and tend to be metallic or
pearl colors.
Ray
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