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The Croatian National Theatre in Zagreb (HNK)
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Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:59:45 GMT
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The design is finally done, hope you’ll like it.

Project’s history: I started it by just making a corner as a proof of concept, to see whether it might be nicely done in minifig scale. The reason for this was that I wanted to include it in our group’s layout. And it turned out to be a perfect scale, almost everything matched! Getting technical details (exact size, possible drawings, pictures & stuff) had proven to be quite a challenge, even from the official source(s). Not being physically at the location any more, I had a friend take a lot of photos, which was of great help. One thing that was hard to get pictures of was the roof, as all the surrounding buildings are relatively low or inaccessible. After a few extensive googling sessions (including Google Maps, which helped a lot!), I managed to get most of the details, but even if I didn’t, well, almost noone will know ;)

After getting the whole picture I finally continued drawing it... only then I saw what monster it would turn out to be, but by then it was too late to stop (had I thought of it before, I would probably never had begun with the design at all, at least not before I had secured fundings, something I’m still working on).
I naively assumed it would be easy to get standard sand green 2x*-plates - wrong. I had to redesign both domes using mostly 1x* parts (and 2x2 corner plates), since those were much easier to get... still it took several BL-orders to get everything :/

The theatre has a very nice surrounding as well, lots of flowers, a fountain, etc., but that is left as future work... maybe, depending on the budget.

As for the rendering part, it was a pain, since I wanted it to look as good as possible. After a while I had to start rendering only new additions and paste them into the picture...

Cheers, Matija

FuT: lugnet.town


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Re: The Croatian National Theatre in Zagreb (HNK)
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Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:01:08 GMT
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In lugnet.announce.moc, Matija Puzar wrote:
  

The design is finally done, hope you’ll like it.


Cheers, Matija


I like what I see here. Are there any more pictures available to see the details, close-ups and other angles and all?

I feel a bit teased with only these few images.

Looking forward to seeing more.

Best,

Jonathan


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Re: The Croatian National Theatre in Zagreb (HNK)
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Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:18:04 GMT
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In lugnet.town, Jonathan Lopes wrote:
  
I like what I see here. Are there any more pictures available to see the details, close-ups and other angles and all?

I feel a bit teased with only these few images.

Thanks :)

There is a bit bigger version from the same angle available on BrickShelf. I haven’t made any other renderings, as I would now prefer to focus on making the brick-version and then take real photos along. But if you’re interested in some specific details, I will be glad to make screenshots of them.

Cheers, Matija

P.S. The text on the front is engraved :)


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Re: The Croatian National Theatre in Zagreb (HNK)
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Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:48:31 GMT
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In lugnet.town, Matija Puzar wrote:
   In lugnet.town, Jonathan Lopes wrote:
  
I like what I see here. Are there any more pictures available to see the details, close-ups and other angles and all?

I feel a bit teased with only these few images.

Thanks :)

There is a bit bigger version from the same angle available on BrickShelf. I haven’t made any other renderings, as I would now prefer to focus on making the brick-version and then take real photos along. But if you’re interested in some specific details, I will be glad to make screenshots of them.


Ah, I’m sorry. I thought there was an existing brick version already. No need to spend time on the screen shots. Build! :o)

I’ll be patient.

I greatly look forward to the brick-built version.

Best,

Jonathan


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Re: The Croatian National Theatre in Zagreb (HNK)
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Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:09:07 GMT
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In lugnet.announce.moc, Matija Puzar wrote:
  

The design is finally done, hope you’ll like it.

Wow, that’s a pretty amazing feat, designing something that complex in MLCAD/LDraw. I’ve designed a couple things in MLCAD and it’s not easy. I hope it comes together in brick form without any surprises :) Can’t wait to see photos of the finished model on display.


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Re: The Croatian National Theatre in Zagreb (HNK)
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Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:53:19 GMT
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In lugnet.town, Jonathan Lopes wrote:
  
Ah, I’m sorry. I thought there was an existing brick version already. No need to spend time on the screen shots. Build! :o)

I’ll be patient.

Knock knock... still there? ;)

So, the first version is finally built (and I must say I’m more than glad about that period being over). It had become “a bit” exhausting after a while, but I think it was worth it.



To William, re “I hope it comes together in brick form without any surprises :)”, well of course there were surprises... but isn’t that part of the fun? :) The worst “surprise” was that I actually managed to run out of some crucial parts, but what was even more surprising was that there were only a few types and a few parts, so I used the classical cpt. Kirk’s solution - I compensated. I also had to take some tough decisions, and in the end a few bricks had to be sacrificed (I ask for forgiveness from those who scored high on the purity test, but it was for a greater good).

People were wondering about the internal structure, so I put out a few pictures of that too (please do come with suggestions if you see something that is clearly too dangerous and could fall apart any minute, I am not an architect :)).

(gallery)

Unfortunately, the model is very dependent on the base being as perfect as possible, something mine isn’t, and as a result the roof on the back is very tense. I am still wondering how I’ll manage to place it in the middle of a layout, unless it is the first thing to be set up and it doesn’t have to be moved afterwards. How do you guys do it on shows?


Cheers,
Matija


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Re: The Croatian National Theatre in Zagreb (HNK)
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Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:19:05 GMT
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In lugnet.town, Matija Puzar wrote:

   Unfortunately, the model is very dependent on the base being as perfect as possible, something mine isn’t, and as a result the roof on the back is very tense. I am still wondering how I’ll manage to place it in the middle of a layout, unless it is the first thing to be set up and it doesn’t have to be moved afterwards. How do you guys do it on shows?


Hi Matija,

I also was following up your updates in the brickshelf gallery on the HNK building. And right from the first CAD file I saw I must addmit that this building is absolutly fantastic. It’s a very challenging building to convert it into a LEGO model. But you’ve done a great job, both in CAD and in BRICKS! Larger components (like the various domes) and small details (like the upside down use of “rocket-noses” in white for lights) are brilliant.

Back to your question. It took me a while to find a stable way to build modular large buildings which could be transported easily and are stable on various kinds of tables. As I start my buildings somewhere at an iconic part and mostly not at the base it’s quite a challenge to add a stable base later.

But to be able to transport and easy set up the model, a modular concept and a good base is necessary. While building don’t worry about not connecting everything with everything. Try to think of reasonable modules which could be easly combined with some Technic pins or axles in 1x2 brick with axle hole.

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=204481

Here you can see the modules which I use to set up my Frauenkirche.

Your HNK was your learning experience, and next time you will think in advance of the more stability and a modular concept if you want to transport and show your creations at public events. And your creations are definetly worth showing to the public and other fans!

And you might also add some more inner structures to the facade elements and perhaps think of a base using old 32x32 street plates. Use tiles covered by bricks to make clear where a facade module should be placed while setting up the model.

Could you upload some more detailed pics of the dome, windows, lights and and and and to your brickshelf gallery.

Keep on brick’in

Holger


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Re: The Croatian National Theatre in Zagreb (HNK)
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Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:00:21 GMT
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In lugnet.town, Matija Puzar wrote:
   In lugnet.town, Jonathan Lopes wrote:
  
Ah, I’m sorry. I thought there was an existing brick version already. No need to spend time on the screen shots. Build! :o)

I’ll be patient.

Knock knock... still there? ;)

Yes! A little late, but here. :o)

  
So, the first version is finally built (and I must say I’m more than glad about that period being over). It had become “a bit” exhausting after a while, but I think it was worth it.




Cheers,
Matija


Stunning. Excellent details everywhere.

Congrats on the completion.

best, Jonathan


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Re: The Croatian National Theatre in Zagreb (HNK)
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Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:01:28 GMT
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In lugnet.town, Holger Matthes wrote:
  
Hi Matija,

I also was following up your updates in the brickshelf gallery on the HNK building. And right from the first CAD file I saw I must addmit that this building is absolutly fantastic. It’s a very challenging building to convert it into a LEGO model. But you’ve done a great job, both in CAD and in BRICKS! Larger components (like the various domes) and small details (like the upside down use of “rocket-noses” in white for lights) are brilliant.

Thanks :)

   But to be able to transport and easy set up the model, a modular concept and a good base is necessary. While building don’t worry about not connecting everything with everything. Try to think of reasonable modules which could be easly combined with some Technic pins or axles in 1x2 brick with axle hole.

The building is indeed modular, it has been designed as such because I knew I would need to put it apart for transporting. Basically every wall section is a separate module (details on how it is “cut” can be seen here if someone is interested). I actually tried using Technic bricks with pins and axles, but in the end I decided either not to connect modules at all or to connect them using studs at a few places.

   http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=204481

Here you can see the modules which I use to set up my Frauenkirche.

Nice photoshoot! (and model, I get stunned every time I see it)

   Your HNK was your learning experience, and next time you will think in advance of the more stability and a modular concept if you want to transport and show your creations at public events. And your creations are definetly worth showing to the public and other fans!

Thanks, that’s why I make them (I definitely do not have place for them home :) ) and it is always nice to see that people like them .

   And you might also add some more inner structures to the facade elements and perhaps think of a base using old 32x32 street plates. Use tiles covered by bricks to make clear where a facade module should be placed while setting up the model.

As mentioned above, I did think in advance regarding transport. The building seems also to be stable, although it never hurts to add more structure. Side note: the two domes, being very heavy, have own stands.

Old street plates are exactly what I had planned to use (if you look at the CAD picture you’ll see them around the model). Another plan is to expand it with grass and flowers, like it is done in reality... but we’ll see about that.

   Could you upload some more detailed pics of the dome, windows, lights and and and and to your brickshelf gallery.

Done (available after moderation, or immediately from the MOCpages gallery). I also made some comparison photos between the real building and the model, it took a while to find the right angles and rotate the model in a not-so-wide kitchen :)


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