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Re: her majesty's new sloop! HMS Tempest has arrived!
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Mon, 17 May 2004 00:51:23 GMT
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In lugnet.pirates, Wesley Davis wrote:
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Nonono, a sloop has ONE mast (At least since the 17th century; before that,
it could be up to 3). Any ship with more than that cannot actually BE a
sloop. “Sloop of War” is defined as a ship with cannons on one deck only.
Both my own reference books (The Story of Sail is an excellent resource) and
Webster’s Dictionary confirm this, along with other sources. Check out the
webpage I posted earlier (
http://users.pandora.be/tree/wrecksite/db/other/types_of_sailing_ships.html?en
); it does an excellent job of correctly detailing the various sail-plan
names.
http://www.websters-dictionary-online.org/definition/english/sl/sloop.html
http://www.websters-dictionary-online.org/definition/english/sl/sloop+of+war.html
Ships were usually classified by sail plan. If you add a jib sail to a sloop,
it becomes a cutter. If you add a mast, it becomes a brig (both masts
square-rigged), a brigantine (A two-masted vessel with the foremast fully
square rigged and her mainmast rigged with both a fore-and-aft mainsail
(usually a gaff sail) and square topsails (and possibly topgallant
sails)-**This describes your ship**), or a schooner (all masts fore-and-aft
rigged). Note that the term sloop also implies fore-and-aft rigging.
Therefore the Tempest *is* a “Sloop of War” but is not an actual “Sloop.”
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hi wes, thanks for the help with the rigging difficulty i had, i rerigged it
correctly i believe. i put up some new pics.
anyway, i have seen the definition of a sloop as a single masted vessel,
butthere are also other definitions in all 3 of my books. i already typed above
what my first book sadi about sloops and the classes of sloops (brig sloop, ship
sloop, flush decked sloop). that was from “Nelson’s Navy, the ships, men and
organization, 1793-1815” by Brian Lavery.
in “The Enclyclopedia of Ships”, a sloop is defined as: “in the 18th and 19th
centuries, a small warship similar to a corvette, later a somewhat larger steam
warship......, more commonly a single masted yacht with a single headsail, and
by far the most common type of sailing pleasure craft.” this definition
encompasses your definition, and also compares them to French Corvettes, defined
as: “a french warship, too small to warrant a rate (and thus the equivilant of a
British Sloop).”
corvettes were usually brigs or small ship rigged vessels, with not quite enough
guns to be a sixth rate.
finally, in “Naval Warfare in the Age of Sail”, references are made to numerous
brig and ship rigged vessels as being “sloops”, such as the 18 gun USS Ranger,
USS Argus, HMS Cherub, and many others. it also uses the terms: “Ship Sloop” and
“Brig Sloop”, terms described in the first book as well.
i did check out the websites you posted, and read all the definitions.
basically, may i propose a possibility for where the disparites all came from?
possibly the terms “sloop of war” and “sloop” have come to be used
interchangably? maybe thats why some books describe them as sloops, and some as
sloops of war. anyway, i was under the impression that my ship fell under the
catagory of a sloop, based om my readings, so thats why i called such. i guess
it’s a brig then? thanks
best regards,
steve
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| (...) Basically, the British are to blame. They used terms in conflicting ways, and then got sloppy (or is that sloopy?) about it. It's a "sloop of war" (class of ship, rather than rigging type), but since that is kinda tedious to say it was simply (...) (20 years ago, 17-May-04, to lugnet.pirates, FTX)
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| | Re: her majesty's new sloop! HMS Tempest has arrived!
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| (...) Nonono, a sloop has ONE mast (At least since the 17th century; before that, it could be up to 3). Any ship with more than that cannot actually BE a sloop. "Sloop of War" is defined as a ship with cannons on one deck only. Both my own reference (...) (20 years ago, 15-May-04, to lugnet.pirates, FTX)
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