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Re: her majesty's new sloop! HMS Tempest has arrived!
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Sat, 15 May 2004 08:53:48 GMT
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respectfully, my reference books say that the term “sloop” is very ambiguous.
originally, it had meant a single masted vessel, but that definition changhed
over time. the definition of a “sloop of war” is a vessel captained by an
officer with the rank of commander. sloops could either be rigged as ships (3
masts), or brigs(2 masts). large sloops were similar to 6th rates in layout,
with 3 masts, a quarterdeck and forecastle. sloops of war carried 10-18 guns.
there is considerable overlap of the brig classification and sloop
classification. brigs carried 2 masts only, and usually only mounted
carronades, rather than long guns, while sloops were larger, caried rated
guns, and were rigged with either 2 or 3 masts. there was even a class called
“brigsloops”, small, brig rigged sloops, sometimes carrying guns, sometimes
carronades.
this is all taken from my reference book. it goes into much greater detail in
explaining all the types of sloops, but i cant type that much :-)
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Nonono, a sloop has ONE mast (At least since the 17th century; before that, it
could be up to 3). Any ship with more than that cannot actually BE a sloop.
“Sloop of War” is defined as a ship with cannons on one deck only. Both my own
reference books (The Story of Sail is an excellent resource) and Webster’s
Dictionary confirm this, along with other sources. Check out the webpage I
posted earlier (
http://users.pandora.be/tree/wrecksite/db/other/types_of_sailing_ships.html?en
); it does an excellent job of correctly detailing the various sail-plan names.
http://www.websters-dictionary-online.org/definition/english/sl/sloop.html
http://www.websters-dictionary-online.org/definition/english/sl/sloop+of+war.html
Ships were usually classified by sail plan. If you add a jib sail to a sloop, it
becomes a cutter. If you add a mast, it becomes a brig (both masts
square-rigged), a brigantine (A two-masted vessel with the foremast fully square
rigged and her mainmast rigged with both a fore-and-aft mainsail (usually a gaff
sail) and square topsails (and possibly topgallant sails)-**This describes your
ship**), or a schooner (all masts fore-and-aft rigged). Note that the term sloop
also implies fore-and-aft rigging.
Therefore the Tempest *is* a “Sloop of War” but is not an actual “Sloop.”
:)
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Message has 2 Replies:
 | | Re: her majesty's new sloop! HMS Tempest has arrived!
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| (...) As a vessel description, yes, but it should be refered to as "Her Majesty's Sloop Tempest" (Or HM Sloop Tempest). Just like you'd refer to a Royal Navy Brig as "HM Brig ...". But of course, there were no reigning British Queens between 1714 (...) (20 years ago, 16-May-04, to lugnet.pirates, FTX)
| | | Re: her majesty's new sloop! HMS Tempest has arrived!
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| (...) hi wes, thanks for the help with the rigging difficulty i had, i rerigged it correctly i believe. i put up some new pics. anyway, i have seen the definition of a sloop as a single masted vessel, butthere are also other definitions in all 3 of (...) (20 years ago, 17-May-04, to lugnet.pirates, FTX)
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| | Re: her majesty's new sloop! HMS Tempest has arrived!
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| (...) respectfully, my reference books say that the term "sloop" is very ambiguous. originally, it had meant a single masted vessel, but that definition changhed over time. the definition of a "sloop of war" is a vessel captained by an officer with (...) (20 years ago, 15-May-04, to lugnet.pirates, FTX)
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