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Re: I dont want to be a "steve"
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Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:13:03 GMT
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In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Steve Hassenplug wrote:
> means the goal was to 'Not Lose'. Is that a valid strategy?
If you read the goal as not lose, then you've read it wrong, at least here in
Toronto. A long time ago, we suspected a competitor cheated in a sumo event.
Perhaps that person thought the goal was to "Not lose".
> That's no different than building a 'marble sorting robot' that just sits in
> it's home square for 3 minutes, and hopes the other guy does a bad job of
> sorting.
That's just dumb. That's like me entering into a block of wood into a Formula1
race and hoping I'll win because one car will flip over, crashing into all the
others, kill all the drivers and leaving my block of wood as a default.
> Novel or dink? Your call.
Dink.
> Why? The motors. It used 2 RC buggy motors, and everyone else used standard
> Mindstorms motors. Novel idea or dink?
Using the motors? I wouldn't call it novel, but it was a good choice. I
wouldn't call you a dink for using the motors at all.
You're a dink for suggesting and making a fuss about leaving the battery on.
> I'm really not sure why you hate me over this one issue.
Because your poking at the issue was nonproductive and stupid. It shows one
component of your attitude, which appears to be "make fun of the rules".
> The problem is that people all have different 'dinkness' scales.
Agreed. But the one that matters is the majority, and the group that matters in
this case is rtlToronto. As the organizer of the group, I think your scale of
dinkness affects the quality of the group and the events. If John Barnes
doesn't mind your dinkiness, that's his problem.
> touch the finish line in the Scree Runner event (race across a pile of LEGO
> blocks). I actually thought it was rather dinkish. But I didn't want to see
> someone else use the same idea and win the event. During the event, there
That's the seceond problem I have with your attitude, which is that you're
willing to be a dink to win. Winning is not the point. We told you that a long
time ago.
> And, there were a lot of groans.
And that should bother you. Because if someone groans, then you're being a dink
and that's not right. You should never put winning at the expense of being
groaned at. No one should ever have a "I don't want to be a "Steve"" subject
line. You should would want to be thought of as "Steve, the guy who builds good
robots" (which you do!) instead of "Steve, the guy who pokes at being a dink and
makes people groan at the cost of winning".
I think we both agree that everyone has a personal scale of dinkness. Fine. My
point is, you adjust to the scale of the group you're wanting to be a part of
and the people running it.
If I hear any groans at rtlToronto15, you're out of it.
Calum
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| (...) I'm in. Currently there are two open slots for teams in F1. All it takes is 48 million and a two by four to enter. We can cut the two by four in half to make the two "car" team. Any one got anything they can mortgage for 48 million? Derek (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| (...) Sorry I wasn't clear. In most competitions, I think the 'not lose' is more or less implied. In C$, a robot will lose if it mis-drops a chip (and signals end-of-turn). Yes, I read that as "A goal is to not lose" I suspect most people who enter (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| (...) Actually (Calum's not going to like this) I think that was a novel approach. Knowing that it's almost impossible for that 'entry' to cause an opponent to leave the sumo ring (unless it gets tangled in the opponent's sensors), that means the (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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