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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) I agree! If the US Mint has the wherewithal to commission 50 new designs of quarter, it really should take much to scour the religious invocations from future stampings. And to address John's frothing over-reaction; no one here is trying to (...) (22 years ago, 1-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Not really; if my command of the obvious were so astounding, I'd have realized long ago that you are unable to employ logic or reason, but here I am still trying to persuade you. (...) Okay, maybe we've come upon a legitimate example of my (...) (22 years ago, 1-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Back into the fray (from a much needed absence 'cause I had to re-evaluate the way I come across in my posts...) /America rant on The next time anyone tells me the USofA is the 'free-est' nation on the planet, I'm going to point to this thread (and (...) (22 years ago, 2-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> You would be well served not to use "West Wing" as your basis for research, or even for sound bites. It's terribly biased in the statist/socialist direction and the writers are quite skillful (...) (22 years ago, 2-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) :-) (...) Um, aren't we splitting hairs here? The Continental Congress ratified the DoI on July 4, 1776. We mark this date as the beginning of our country (you're no the only one who has a command of the obvious!:) So are you trying to argue (...) (22 years ago, 2-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) In every speech in which W invokes God on behalf of America, he's endorsing religion. When he condemned the court's decision, he explicitly endorsed religion. In his private life, George can worship absolutely anything he chooses, but as The (...) (22 years ago, 2-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) SC (...) positions (...) I go back and forth on what I think the base requirements for a school to use vouchers should be. I'm opposed to schools teaching e.g. strict creationism instead of reality, but I'm not sure I'd even support (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		The constitution has been abrogated
Starting a new thread as the current monster one is rather a bad place to hang this.... In lugnet.off-topic.debate, (...) Not exactly wrong but not quite right either. As another poster explained, the authority is probably defacto rather than dejure (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Only because I am finishing my breakfast and only because it is the day it is... I do have a problem with patriotism. It is the same problem I have with most "religious" people and their seemingly mad fervor for whatever thing they happen to (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) You said it. You "limit" the budgets. That's not freedom. The average winning candidate spends about $40,000.00. Think (...) So the liberal, career-politician incumbants can remain in power. No thanks. (...) One big reason is because they (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: slight
(...) Well, I am not the one claiming to be a messenger of something that no one wants to hear about in debate. John is claiming such a thing, in addition to all other kinds of rights to judge others via morals, politics, what have you...maybe not (...) (22 years ago, 13-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Legal Education? (was: real conspiracies?)
First, let me just say: Holy Crap! What a lot of complicated questions! Obviously, I have to make the usual I AM NOT A LAWYER warning here. But, really -- I am not a lawyer and you shouldn't consider anything I say any kind of legal advice. These (...) (22 years ago, 1-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) You may have whatever you want for you and your child, as, if and when I have them, I should be the responsible guardian for my child. (...) No, in one case the superzealots are killing innocents, ending lives that they themselves are not (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Fine. I agree. But who are you to say that I may not have it? Even if you're my parent. (...) Not really. In one case, superstitious zealots are killing innocents. In the other, superstitious zealots are killing innocents. I don't see a (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) But what I'm asking, is: what if the child wants medical treatment and the parent forbids it? (...) So if I see that a piano is falling from the seventh floor window right above you and I choose to say nothing -- letting you squash, that's OK? (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		christian morals are inferior to tolerant morals
(...) Why not? You'll have to present an argument other than "from authority" to convince me differently. Assuming we've named all the stakeholders, and they're all consenting adults who actually consented (posit this for the sake of the argument, (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: slight
(...) Once again I have to reiterate--there are many knowledgable and well learned folks partaking in these debates. Thanks for the intriguing posts. I uphold a system in which Larry can believe what he chooses to believe, as I uphold a system in (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: slight
(...) What's the "W" word? "Dubya" ?? We don't use that word in our house if we can help it... (1) :-) (unfortunately there's nothing funny about that man. Our last halfway decent prez was Ronnie, since then we've had a succession of duds.. and he (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Criminal Justice
(...) As a point of clarification, are you speculating that recidivism might result from confinement-based punishment because such punishment is separate from actual guilt-consequences of the committed crime? (...) Escaping from what? I think that (...) (22 years ago, 19-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: slight
(...) God. And to explain that, denies Him. That's my faith speaking. Does that make me 'less than' you 'cause I believe and you don't? (...) In principal[sic], God's universe is being explained right now via science. So again, I have no problem (...) (22 years ago, 16-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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