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		Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) For the love of heaven, must we start a new thread as to define what a fact is? How about diatribe? Were there not enough facts given at these sites? The answers to your questions are often not right in front of you. Seek well and learn well. (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) It's not obvious to me. Always looking for the disagreement, eh? I ask for some reading material because I want to have an open mind and do some research and you conclude that I disagree apriori. (...) Not interested in countering it. I'm (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Nature of rights? (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) I'd go farther than speculating, I'd assert it, unless someone can prove that some specific animals do reason morally, in which case I'd consider that we might want to consider them as "human" rather than "merely" animal. (a tangential SF (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
(...) [snip] (...) This is an interesting point. Maybe the things that animals do resemble our rights cloely enough that we could sometimes call them rights. The dominant chicken (almost always a rooster, if one is present) does have the right to (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) You assume too much. I did that already, or something close to it. Didn't like the quality of sites I found, and thought I'd just (without any aspersions being cast, which is why I just asked outright instead of prefacing it with "I already (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) I say if you must eat them, at least kill them swiftly before tossing them in the boiling water. Why miss opportunities to be humane? It's good self discipline and shows character, in my opinion. For example, when an old and sick or dying pet (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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I'm going to be going on vacation for the next two weeks. I'll try to catch up when I get back. I'm particularly interested in hearing what people have to say about the nature of property/property rights: (URL) Matthew Miller ---> mattdm@mattdm.org (...) (27 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Validity testing (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) For the sake of staying within what I consider dubious givens, I would say that it was impossible for you to acquire ownership of sentient (the real meaning, not your vernacular one) beings (cows) without excercising some kind of 'might makes (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Ownership (was: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?))
(...) I've been having a crisis of faith over the past several months and tried to bring it up unsuccessfully once before, but this ties into it. To get to the point, I'm having trouble justifying ownership. The entire notion of ownership actually. (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) He'd tell you that you actualised your desire and voila, a bus. Or something like that. Warning, be very careful discussing this particular, ahem, well, whatever it is they are. I hear they have some majorly powerful lawyers and I'd rather (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
(...) The cambridge link didn't work for me. When I went here: (URL) got these: 1. Not admitting of moral distinctions or judgments; neither moral nor immoral. 2. Lacking moral sensibility; not caring about right and wrong. Seems to me that "moral", (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) Interestingly (or maybe not--you tell me), something analogous happened to me a few years ago during a one-on-one meeting with a Scientology "Advocate" (or whatever their brainwashers are called). Eventually I got sick of the crazy rhetoric (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Validity testing (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) Ah, now I see. That's what I get for jumping in mid-stride. I was approaching the issue as if you were espousing your own view, rather than pointing out the implications of an opposing view. Oops. (...) I would sum up by saying that it is not (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
(...) Larry, At this point I am tempted to dig up all the old posts you have not answered - where the questions were very direct. All those ones were you were unable to justify yourself. Unable to back you own argument. Unable to show us your (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: IP (was: Re: Any suggestions on a homepage?)
(...) Yes. There is a difference between SEEING content, and thus learning from it (read about "prior art" in the context of patents if you're interested in learning further about this topic), and USING content. If I read a book, that book is (...) (27 years ago, 18-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: What is spam? (was Re: Scary Survey results about the US First Amendment
(...) A good question. If it is publically avaible it could include all 3. But I see your point. But lets leave the marginal side of kiddy porn aside for now. (...) My view would be that individuals who use this material may need help in some way. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: What is spam? (was Re: Scary Survey results about the US First Amendment
(...) A good question. If it is publically avaible it could include all 3. But I see your point. But lets leave the marginal side of kiddy porn aside for now. (...) My view would be that individuals who use this material may need help in some way. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
(...) I want to leave people out of this at least for a bit. While your point is valid, it is not necessarily helping the question get any clearer. Just stick to two different species of bacteria, interacting in a natural environment with no people (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) Gasp! You've read the super-secret extra-litigation copyrighted Operating Thetan documents? Don't you know that you can't properly appreciate those until you've been Declared Clear? You'd better take back that Undeserved and Inaccurate (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
(...) I'm glad you can understand what "none" means. (...) You are correct, it is not all that clear what I mean (from my perspective). I was agreeing that the lion's view can not be viewed within a moral framework, but I also think they should (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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