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| "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G4wJLA.DAL@lugnet.com... (...) What happens if we hold him up to his own standard? It must be possible to conceive of evidence that would prove the claim -- 'It must be possible to (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) He didn't say that, exactly. He said every "meaningful" (paraphrasing) true claim is falsifiable and then proceeded to show why non falsifiable claims don't help us in our understanding. (...) Good point but while you're thinking about that, (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G4wp09.635@lugnet.com... <snip> (...) The author is stating something he believes is a fact. Last time I checked, that's a claim. So, is the author's claim meaningful? If not, let's (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jeromy Irvine writes: <snip> Think about Goedel and whether the author's statements are part of the system they describe or not. They aren't. But since you won't do that thinking... When I put meaningful in quotes I was (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) you sure? :) all that i know about goedel comes from douglas hofstadter's book 'goedel, escher, and bach: an eternal golden braid', but the impression i got from that was that there isn't a clear answer. of course it's been a while. ;) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) <just going off on a tangent here> Why should we privilege rationalism as a source of understanding? And if we should, should it be the only type of insight that informs our understanding? --DaveL (24 years ago, 3-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I might well be. In fact he well may be right that if this is a claim, that it's subject to its own test, and may well fail it. But I'm not sure that I agree that this particular yardstick has to be able to measure itself. That, I think, may (...) (24 years ago, 4-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Mr. Pieniazek: (...) true (...) When Mr. Irvine challenged the author's statement as being (apparently) self-defeating, you responded with: (...) I (...) The question, with this in mind, can be put as follows: Is the author's statement -- "[E]very (...) (24 years ago, 4-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) able (...) system (...) Even "meta-information" must be logically consistent. The trick is that most axioms probably do not refer to themselves, but if they do (as the statement in question appears to fall within its own scope), they must pass (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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