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| | | (...) Agreed, but what are they? There is a clear incongruity in the US, in that the father has _no_ say in whether the child is aborted -- it all rests with the mother, and yet the father is financially burdened with no recourse. (...) What about (...) (24 years ago, 11-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne —Frank Filz
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| | | | Please note in the following discussion that my own feelings on when if ever abortion is appropriate are very undecided. The following is a thought exercise. Don't assume that just because I make a statement below that it equates to how I really (...) (24 years ago, 11-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | "Frank Filz" <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:3A0DB4A3.2F33B6...ing.com... (...) that the (...) the (...) Right, I brought this up here last year, while debating Larry, who was much more steadfast and aware of his stance on the abortion (...) (24 years ago, 12-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) Humans generally don't, but caterpillars and butterflies do. There is no one particular moment that a caterpillar becomes a butterfly; the transformation happens gradually. Similarly, when a human dies, there's usually not any one paricular (...) (24 years ago, 12-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) The organism stays the same species the whole time just like the human does. And do you think that the betterfly really changes more than the human does? I'd say less. There is a little wormy thing with legs and then it grows some wings and (...) (24 years ago, 12-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) This little description brings to mind some thoughts: 1. Yes, male humans are aggressive boogers, even all the way down to how their sperm accomplish their half of the act of conception... 2. the last stanza in a fun little poem (Prehistoric (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) I have had people in face to face discussions, refuse to ever talk to me again because I supported ideas like this. (Or that sexual encounters between adults and children are not necessarily unhealthy, or that cannibalism isn't evil.) But the (...) (24 years ago, 12-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Parental strategies? (was: Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne) —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Hmm. Interesting, Chris. I'm curious about some things. First, how old is your son? And why would he think that you might "own" him, or that he is your "slave"? (I assume you mean that you don't "own him" in the sense that he is your (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Parental strategies? (was: Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) Six (and three months). (...) Are you asking why he would put it in those words? He wouldn't. Or are you asking where he would get the idea that when dad says "go to your room" he must? If the latter, most children get that idea based on the (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Parental strategies? (was: Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne) —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Got it. (...) Yes. Okay. (...) How about the thinking that "if I don't go to my room when my parents ask, they will be displeased with me and I want them to love me, not be unhappy with me, so I will do it". This is the usual motivation IMO, (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Parental strategies? (was: Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) they (...) me, so (...) Well, how about it? I know that that takes place. But what is behind that? What do they know will happen when they are "displeased with me?" And I think it is distinctly unhealthy for kids to grow up in an environment (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Parental strategies? (was: Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne) —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Not what I meant. Kids need to know right from the git-go that their parents love them-- that no one in the world will ever love them more than they will. It is an unconditional love. There isn't any "love extortion" going on at all. A child (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Parental strategies? (was: Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) You mean there shouldn't be, right? Because I believe it's not too uncommon for exactly that to take place. And even when the parents don't know that that's exactly what they're doing. (...) I can't imagine why you would think that. Do you (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Parental strategies? (was: Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne) —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Yes, a parent's love should be unconditional for their children. Even so, I'm not sure one can really turn love on and off for their kids. (...) I tested my theory with my own kids last night. They actually gave me that answer. Maybe I have (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Parental strategies? (was: Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) not (...) I believe that love (real love) can't be turned on and off. It would sometimes be easier if it could. But just because you can't turn your love for your kids on and off, doesn't mean that you can't pretend that you can and abuse them (...) (24 years ago, 15-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Parental strategies? (was: Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne) —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | | Thanks Chris for addressing that which is too rarely looked at. Children no more need a master on Earth than a master in heaven. Most people do not understand the purpose of the mind and have no concept of how to kindle its fire. I think you have (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Parental strategies? (was: Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne) —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Uh, we don't know that... (...) And you do? Please enlighten, but first please cite your source of this understanding. (...) I think he's shown how to get your kid to call you by your first name, that's about all. (...) Uh, we don't know (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Parental strategies? (was: Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) This is a deep epistimological issue. Which part don't we know? I don't know that the sun came up this morning (I've been at work since before sunrise) but I don't just 'think' that it has. Actually, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) I think this is already clear, but just in case, me too. (...) Yup. I agree. (...) Yup. I agree. (...) John's response discusses the implied contract between the mother and father. I agree with him that these contracts should be written and (...) (24 years ago, 12-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne —John DiRienzo
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| | | | "Christopher Weeks" <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote in message news:G3x13L.8HB@lugnet.com... (...) father. (...) the (...) to. We (...) decent (...) it (...) right (...) the (...) exist (...) that (...) I wonder if the human rights abuses of women in (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) Well, that's not exactly what I meant. I was talking about something that women would be against too. (...) Privately Produced Law. Chris (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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