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Re: The Friendliest Site On The Internet. (Was Re: A little self examination?)
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Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:45:44 GMT
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> Todd Lehman wrote in message ...
*snipped some good stuff*
> Lemme interject something here. :-) Matthew didn't make any mistakes -- • at
> least not in the usual social faux-pas sense. I've been speaking a little • bit
> with him offline in email since Saturday and he considers himself a "Social
> Engineer" hacker. If I understand his goals and intentions correctly, he
> specifically set out to cause a disruption or, more accurately, to make
> himself into a mirror with which to show people a side of themselves that
> they didn't want to see, with disruption as the side-effect which proves • his
> points in his mind. I'm not trying to judge these goals as being noble or
> ignoble, just to understand them as best I can. Thus, it would do • absolutely
> no good to try to persuade him not to repeat his past mistakes, because in • his
> mind there were no mistakes -- only in our minds were there "mistakes." He
> mentioned a couple of other online communities he is helping (that was his
> word), one them being some vampire community. It would be interesting to
> have a few beers with MM someday and trade philosophies on life and
sociology.
A vampire playing with Lego, thats a new one. That proves what a great
product Lego really is...
The "Malkavians" are everywhere and are famous for their sick pranks in the
vampire society.
Don't forget to have a wooden stick brought in, together with the beer and
some of that "uber garlic".
Some people call it "role palying", but instead of playing cards doing so
IRL. It gets more exciting that way...
> I don't think he wants help or needs help. He seems to be a very • intelligent
> person who knows what he is doing and does it very well (meaning I gather
> that he achieves his objectives). Unfortunately, the "social engineering"
> he does isn't something which sits well here (or in RTL, for that matter).
There´s no intelligence involved here. I am rude to people every day,
without even have to make an effort. To be rude, you only have to think of
your own needs and follow your basic instincts. To be polite you have to
think on not only your own needs but to everyone else involved. It's just
"laziness".(I may learn someday how to spell that word)
I used to be rude and hang out with some really ugly people to in my youth,
so I think I know what is missing here...
(Personal thoughts, keep in mind)
> I have found him to be extremely polite, intelligent, and logical in • private
> emails as well. The thing to remember is that he was here for a completely
> different reason than the rest of us (at least during the SE phase -- I • can't
> say about the LEGO-building phase).
He (or his brother, or someone)made some very nice Lego models. Yes, and I
hope that (who ever it is)continues to do so.
> If he wanted to turn off the SE, I'm sure he could do so at will and could
> play just as nicely as he did from April up until last week.
A "me to" on this one.
> He's not a "problem individual" to be helped or reformed -- he's playing a
> different game -- a higher level, meta-game outside the normal rules. I'm
> not defending his actions, just stating that I believe help is irrelevant • in
> this case.
IMHO I think this is the second phase in the game, and I will not be a part
of it. I think he is now looking for some rudeness from me, and the people
that maybe wanted him to be given a second "chance". And to get some
understanding from the people being rude the first time. Now that would be a
nice experiment in sociology ;-)
But I will not fall for that one... My services do not come cheap...
(I may be wrong, but everyone deserves to have an opinion, this is mine)
Play Well!, and I will now end my part of the thread and build some Lego
instead...
/Joakim, 491
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