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Re: A little self examination?
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Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:04:06 GMT
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Shiri Dori wrote:
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> > I'm strongly
> > against elitism and alienating newcomers from the place.
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> As am I. I don't think anyone is really *for* it, but many people might not
> notice they are doing this. That's when it gets to be a problem (or even
> moreso when it is done intentionally-- but I don't think there is someone on
> lugnet that really is).
The good thing is this, as you already said. There is no one who do it
intentionally. No clans here like veterans or lamers. So the problem for
newbies might be having too much expectations. But this should be dealed
by their own selves.
> [..]
> > Many people might even wonder when they see my
> > member number (#4) who is this guy?
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> LOL, mostly because I know exactly who you are and I think a considerable
> amount of people do. ;-)
I know..:-) And I know you well, too... But who doesn't know you
anyway?..:-)
> [..]
> > Being alienated can be (mostly) related to having expectations which is
> > unreasonably high. This also works for any community, any group of
> > people, either virtual or real.
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> Right. So we should (all) be just a leeeetle careful when responding to a
> post, without knowing if the person is a newbie or not, or (for example) has
> english as a second language, or is relatively young, etc. (Hehe - I remember
> getting into some scrapes for EACH of those reasons... <grin>)
It's specific to you of course but I really can't see if anyone can
recognize your age if you not uncover it. Do you remember the funny
"Craig for president!" thread?..:-) I already knew you form reading your
messages before this thread, but I never realized that you are on 15 at
that time, and I replied humorously automatically assuming that you are
an adult..:-)
> > Tim Courtney wrote:
> > > I was talking to a friend yesterday about the whole deal - someone who has
> > > slipped away from Lugnet intentionally but unnoticed. That person feels
> > > that the community is elitist, and from that person's perspective I
> > > understand. They feel that when they post here people ignore them, that
> > > they're a good candidate to kill a thread, etc. I don't like it that my
> > > friend has had that experience here.
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> That is too bad. I hope that friend realizes that no one intended to hurt
> him/her. I doubt anyone really saw him/her as a "good candidate to kill a
> thread"... and it's really sad that someone feels that way. I hope he/she
> comes back, just to try again...
As I already said, this is the individual's problem somehow. You can't
expect an instant recognition, for any group of people, either here or
in real life. Don't expect anything unreasonably high, give nature a
chance, and try to enjoy. Most of my messages go with any replies, too,
although even I'm one of the beta testers of Lugnet, and I already know
many people here even since before Lugnet. And Maggie already showed me
that "no replies" doesn't mean "unnoticed".
> > > And someone slap me if I'm crazy. I'm writing this because I think that
> > > what we saw yesterday was pretty serious, and if the community has anything
> > > to do with it I'd like to see that change. If it was all Matthew and
> > > whatever he was smoking, that's all fine and dandy I s'pose.
>
> <grin>
> <slap>
> j/k, Tim, you're not crazy. But really, over-analyzing ourselves won't get us
> very far. LUGNET is, for the *most* part, a great place. But even the best
> places and people can't prevent everyone from getting hurt once in a while.
> It's just inavoidable, to some extent. I think we aren't elitist in the sense
> of really keeping someone (anyone!) from participating (as long as they follow
> the basic rules, o'course).
Strongly agree. I wish this discussion would have been appeared by
another reason. I'm not very comfortable with the feeling of we are
taking stupid reasoning into account of a sick personality that he made
up as a reason for his sickness.
> Tim also wrote:
> > I for one have met many people through Lugnet in person, and a handful of them
> > have become really good friends of mine. I'm greatful for that. I'm also
> > greatful that those people get to see me for who I am, rather than for what I
> > do. And I'm glad that I get to see them for the same.
>
> I agree. This has happened to me too (whether I've met these friends in RL or
> not). I'm *grate*ful for that, too. (Heck, I've met my bf here... ;-)
Lucky you..:-) I wish my wife would have been an AFOL..:-)
I've met with four person in real life too, although I'm living in a
place thousands of kilometers away from the majority, and of course all
the meetings was very nice experiences. I think you will return back to
your homeland in near future? Turkey is a famous touristic place for
Israeli people AFAIK. Maybe we can meet someday..:-)
Selçuk
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| Hi Selçuk, After reading your post and Tim's, I must throw in a "Me too" (as much as those posts are highly detested around here ;-). In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Selçuk Göre writes: [..] (...) As am I. I don't think anyone is really *for* it, but (...) (24 years ago, 22-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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