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Re: A little self examination?
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Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:27:52 GMT
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Tim Courtney wrote in message ...
> This whole thing has gotten me thinking -- Matthew was out to prove a • point,
> right? Matthew is also a jerk and has serious problems, right. But, just
> because he carried himself *very* poorly here doesn't mean he might not • have
> something valuable to say to us. I'm just trying to think if there's
> anything about this community that is out of whack, like he suggested.
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> I was talking to a friend yesterday about the whole deal - someone who has
> slipped away from Lugnet intentionally but unnoticed. That person feels
> that the community is elitist, and from that person's perspective I
> understand. They feel that when they post here people ignore them, that
> they're a good candidate to kill a thread, etc. I don't like it that my
> friend has had that experience here.
I think your friend is right... As a newcommer, I also have this experience.
But I think that is common in a "community", in whatever media it is
represented in.
Sometimes it feels like there is an "internal" bunch of people, that you can
not enter without making a lot of noice...
But that is also something that happens when you have allready discussed a
topic a gazillion times before...
To enter this "internal" bunch, you really have to be intelligent and read a
huge amount of posts to know how to reach them. Or to make a lot of noice...
Maybe there is a "Ignore Stupid NewCommer, and People Without Expert
Knowledge" filter somewhere, LOL.
I'm not saying that this is bad, it's just from a personal "newcommers"
view. Other newcommers most likely will disagree, as they maybe found a more
interesting topic or have more social skills than I do.
> One thing we all know, this is a *community* and communities are made up of
> people with vastly differing opinions and backgrounds. Different tastes,
> levels of tolerance, etc. We've seen a pretty bad case here demonstrated
> yesterday. I doubt anyone currently in the community would repeat such
> actions. But something must have triggered that, whether it was Matthew's
> own personal problem, his genuine experience with the people a few years
> ago, or a combination of both. I'm just asking myself out loud what might
> be our problem, if we have one. I certainly don't want to see anyone hurt
> by this group of people. Unfortunately we had a very upstanding member of
> this group leave a couple weeks ago from frustrations.
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> So I open it up for thoughts on the issue, and am willing to discuss and
> examine just the same myself. Anyone?
If I had the ability to express myself in this language, I could give you
some more thoughts. Well I'll try it anyway...
For example:
If Matthew and Jude had known each other personally a long time, Matthews
post could have been a joke, and not an act of rudeness. Some people do have
this kind o humor, I sure have.
As most of the "internal" people know each other and know how to make a joke
to each other, it will probably pass as a joke, with no further 'flamage"
from others. When i first saw Matthews response, i found it rude, but I did
not react, as I did not know if they knew each other. I just waited for the
"internal" peoples responses, and then joined the mob...
(arghh, i hope you get the picture, stupid language)
> And someone slap me if I'm crazy. I'm writing this because I think that
> what we saw yesterday was pretty serious, and if the community has anything
> to do with it I'd like to see that change. If it was all Matthew and
> whatever he was smoking, that's all fine and dandy I s'pose.
Well, he is probably smoking something that makes him lack some of the
basics of social skills...
When he decides to improve these skills, I think Todd will let him in to the
community again.
You are not crazy, it was one of the more intelligent posts I have ever
seen.
And with a great topic.
Play Well!
(please ignore bad spelling and grammar)
/Joakim, Sweden
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| (...) I haven't been on Lugnet very long, but whenever someone identifies themselves as being new, I will try to welcome them and give them some comments. If someone just posts something like "Hey look at this" I often don't respond to it (unless (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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