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This whole thing has gotten me thinking -- Matthew was out to prove a point,
right? Matthew is also a jerk and has serious problems, right. But, just
because he carried himself *very* poorly here doesn't mean he might not have
something valuable to say to us. I'm just trying to think if there's
anything about this community that is out of whack, like he suggested.
I was talking to a friend yesterday about the whole deal - someone who has
slipped away from Lugnet intentionally but unnoticed. That person feels
that the community is elitist, and from that person's perspective I
understand. They feel that when they post here people ignore them, that
they're a good candidate to kill a thread, etc. I don't like it that my
friend has had that experience here.
One thing we all know, this is a *community* and communities are made up of
people with vastly differing opinions and backgrounds. Different tastes,
levels of tolerance, etc. We've seen a pretty bad case here demonstrated
yesterday. I doubt anyone currently in the community would repeat such
actions. But something must have triggered that, whether it was Matthew's
own personal problem, his genuine experience with the people a few years
ago, or a combination of both. I'm just asking myself out loud what might
be our problem, if we have one. I certainly don't want to see anyone hurt
by this group of people. Unfortunately we had a very upstanding member of
this group leave a couple weeks ago from frustrations.
So I open it up for thoughts on the issue, and am willing to discuss and
examine just the same myself. Anyone?
And someone slap me if I'm crazy. I'm writing this because I think that
what we saw yesterday was pretty serious, and if the community has anything
to do with it I'd like to see that change. If it was all Matthew and
whatever he was smoking, that's all fine and dandy I s'pose.
Peace all...
--
Tim Courtney - tim@zacktron.com
http://www.ldraw.org - Centralized LDraw Resources
http://www.zacktron.com - Zacktron Alliance
ICQ: 23951114 - AIM: TimCourtne
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| (...) I think you're on to something there. There have been some not very nice incidents. It's so easy for us, in the heat of the moment, to let our indignation climb until we say things we might not have meant to say in a calmer moment. No one has (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Tim Courtney wrote in message ... (...) point, (...) have (...) I think your friend is right... As a newcommer, I also have this experience. But I think that is common in a "community", in whatever media it is represented in. Sometimes it feels (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) A little introspection can be healthy, too much self analysis can be paalyzing and counter-productive. I believe that any valid points he had to make were outweighed by his aggressive, nay combative, immature, and myopic attitude. However, (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Ok...I occasionally babble, I'm long winded (and unrepentently so...), and I am a fanataical advocate of commonly disparaged themes. That's my contribution to the wackiness of this community... (hey, every village needs an idiot or madman) (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Hi Tim, Actually, I'm also thinking the subject of "is lugnet elitist?" from time to time, and even throw out some of my 0.02 Turkish liras about the subject in some cases, both in RTL and here in Lugnet. I'm strongly against elitism and alienating (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Tim, Wise words. It is a pity that some of these things have raised their heads before, let's hope this is the last time. The golden rule is to never say anything online that one would not say in person to anyone. I'm not saying I'm perfect (others (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I can see your concern but I wouldn't really worry about it. Although I didn't participate in the thread yesterday I did read it. To me responding to such posts is like throwing water on a grease fire and thats why I have come to avoid them. (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I think the Lugnet community needs to make a substantial effort to be inclusive, and a major part of this is how established members conduct themselves in the discussion groups. If someone is posting destructive remarks, don't reply to them in (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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