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| | | (...) Are you comparing Barak, a democratically elected leader of a democratic state that tolerates dissent and has a free press and the rule of law, and mechanisms to carry out investigations of wrongdoing and a justice system that administers (...) (24 years ago, 22-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians ( WasRe: When is a website "independent" and when is it "part of"? —Shiri Dori
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| | | | | I won't reply to all this because Me-2'ing Larry is just not something I like to do ;-)... and I really agree with pretty much everything he says. Just wanted to add some small things. In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: [...] (...) (...) (24 years ago, 22-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians ( WasRe: When is a website "independent" and when is it "part of"? —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | | (...) I also agree all of the points made, but I say a strong YES! to this. No, for the clueless, Turkey is not an Arabic country, and I'm not an Arab, but I really know what is like living in *any* Arabic country. I also know very well the look of (...) (24 years ago, 22-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians ( WasRe: When is a website "independent" and when is it "part of"? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | "Selçuk Göre" <ssgore@superonline.com> wrote in message news:39F34CD8.E3863E...ine.com... (...) like (...) Just (...) to be a (...) Arafat (...) "real country"? (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians ( WasRe: When is a website "independent" and when is it "part of"? —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yeah. Israel is the only REAL COUNTRY there. We are maybe in second place, but not too close. Just compare the conditions of living there, with other countries of the territory. Selçuk (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians ( WasRe: When is a website "independent" and when is it "part of"? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Which, the Me-2'ing or the particular target? :-) I didn't know we were in DISagreement all that much, actually. (...) I guess I find this a bit surprising... I after all said that I didn't think Israel should have been created in the first (...) (24 years ago, 22-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians ( WasRe: When is a website "independent" and when is it "part of"? —Shiri Dori
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| | | | | | (...) Well, I try to stay away from debates in general - I usually keep my opinions to myself, unless they are really close to home (like this one). So, you probably don't know my opinions in general - thus you don't really know if I agree w/you or (...) (24 years ago, 22-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians ( WasRe: When is a website "independent" and when is it "part of"? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G2uJ31.KFo@lugnet.com... (...) always (...) Iraq or (...) be (...) state (...) that (...) Barak (...) I suppose I am. What other country uses tanks and gunships to quell civil (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians ( WasRe: When is a website "independent" and when is it "part of"? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G2uJ31.KFo@lugnet.com... (...) always (...) Iraq or (...) be (...) state (...) that (...) So the democratically take land from those who have lived there for ~1500 years to give to (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians ( WasRe: When is a website "independent" and when is it "part of"? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | (...) always (...) or (...) Yes, but which law: (URL) Hilmi Ghazal, a Palestinian school student from Sebastiya village who was arrested in December 1998 at the age of 15, was still in detention at the end of 1999, pending trial on charges of (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians ( WasRe: When is a website "independent" and when is it "part of"? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | (...) always (...) or (...) Yes, but which law: (URL) Hilmi Ghazal, a Palestinian school student from Sebastiya village who was arrested in December 1998 at the age of 15, was still in detention at the end of 1999, pending trial on charges of (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians —Erik Olson
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| | | | Larry, I think you overestimate the Israeli's "rule of law". Sitting here on the other side of the world, that looks like the weak link. I've always had canny admiration for their prowess, but there's a little bit of thug on their side too. In the (...) (24 years ago, 25-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) Good ref. Pournelle can be a bit of a maunderer at times, a bit militaristic, a bit high on himself, but he still has insight. I take your point. Israel has definitely got themselves thinking that they are the Chosen People who can do no wrong (...) (24 years ago, 25-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | (...) There are those with extreme views on the other side too Larry. (...) Yawn. Sure, the UK made mistakes in the past Larry. One could talk all day about the cause of this Larry. However, that is not going to stop kids getting shot at Larry. (...) (24 years ago, 25-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) If anyone is interested in the history of Israel I found this site: (URL) no expert in this area, but the pages are pretty well written. Scott A (Happy to be from the UK) (24 years ago, 25-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | (...) I knew there was a reason I keep going back to see what he has to say... Figuring what, precisely, bugs you about JerryP is a pastime in itself. On TV journalists, I think their job is considered done when they have outraged, insulted or (...) (24 years ago, 26-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | (...) Not a huge story in its own right. But it is easy to see how stories like this, on both sides, can soon be amplified, and then become an issue. There are those who would claim that the story is no more than further proof of some sort of an (...) (24 years ago, 25-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians —Dan Boger
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| | | | (...) From my experience of living in Israel for most of my life, I think Israel is ruled by law. Explain why it's the "weak link"? (...) what about the recent history of Lebanon? I've served there in the army, and feel that we did what was needed (...) (24 years ago, 25-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians —Erik Olson
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| | | | (...) To begin to explain, "rule of law" refers to the Enlightment concept "a government of laws rather than men." It means impartial enforcement of the law without the enforcers favoring their own friends, relatives, etc. (Another question is the (...) (24 years ago, 28-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Israel and the Palestinians —Dan Boger
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| | | | (...) _can_ harass? the police here, in the US, _can_ harass anyone walking down the street. Doesn't mean they do, or that it's allowed, right? (...) the story does imply that, without any sort of reasoning. "... I cannot think he was acting without (...) (24 years ago, 29-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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