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Re: Million Mom March
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Sat, 13 May 2000 22:46:04 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes:
> I would be in favor of a gun "license", however, I would like to see any
> group who can show that their are serious about how they give out the
> license being able to give them out (a huge advantage of this beyond the
> economic advantages of competition, is that the government won't be able to
> have a list of all licensed people, probably a good thing).
I'm not sure, but is what you are envisioning, like firearms rights insurance?
Where the licensing authority would be liable for misuse of the firearms by
holders of their license?
> I'd also like
> for there to be some way to revoke the license for appropriate crimes.
> Having a good system here could eliminate the need for background checks.
Do you mean at the time of purchase? Presumably the licensing authority would
perform background checks at the time of license.
> I would be in favor of some way to trace the ownership history of guns. One
Not I. That is specifically something that I'm against. I can't imagine a
system of this type that wouldn't be prone to abuse. On the other hand, there
are serial numbers and if a business started that kept track of such things, I
wouldn't claim that they didn't have the right to...I'd just try to get guns
that aren't in their database.
> Unfortunately, I'm
> not sure how this could be done without the feds having access to a list of
> who owns what guns...
Right.
> I also respect the rights of individuals and organizations to restrict the
> ability to carry weapons onto their property
Me too. But I support the right of property owners to do almost anything on
their property.
> (and this I think includes the governments right to not allow them
> into court houses).
Oh. I don't have a strong stance on this, but my first reaction is to
disagree. In an ideal world, the courts would be private, so I'd agree. But
as far as I'm concerned, I'm an owner of the courthouse, so who is some other
owner to regulate me like that. OTOH, I think it's better that people not
have guns in court...in general. So, I'm not sure.
> As far as what weapons should be allowed to the citizenry, I can see a point
> in arguing that any weapon should be allowed, but I do fear what the state
> of world nuclear weaponry would be if the US was basically unable to
> participate in treaties: ("Well, we can agree to limit what our army has,
> but sorry, due to our constitution, Billy has the right to own nuclear
> missiles, so we can't limit the privately owned ones.")
The US could shoot it down. And shoot Billy down. If Billy goes off
half-cocked and fires his missile at Mexico City, it can pretty clearly be
taken by the US as trying to get some other nation to attack the US. So
Billy's in trouble.
Doing things right is often more trouble. That's not a good reason to do
things wrong. (I'm using right and wrong in a semi-moral sense here.)
> Actually, we probably don't have to worry about individual ownership of
> strategic nukes. I doubt there's many people who could buy them, and most of
> them probably have better sense of how to invest their money. And somehow, I
Right.
> don't think the stockholders would take well to a major corporation making
> such a purchase (hmm, just where is Microsoft planning on aiming that ICBM -
I'm not sure that I'd feel that way as a stock holder, but I'd want a pretty
strong degree of prudence in how such things are being handled. But if the
gubmint can handle it, surely large corporations can.
Chris
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| (...) I guess that could be part of it, but my main thought was that the organization issuing the license would need to be sufficiently recognized as having good requirements, but maybe that's unworkable without something very specific. Of course (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Christopher Weeks wrote in message ... (...) least (...) I would be in favor of a gun "license", however, I would like to see any group who can show that their are serious about how they give out the license being able to give them out (a huge (...) (25 years ago, 13-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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