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Re: Rush: "Lego is a Tool for 4 year olds"
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Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:27:01 GMT
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To all,
I am not the most articulate person in the world, but what Larry said
is dead on.
Scott S.
Larry Pieniazek wrote:
>
> Frank raises some good points. But if I am careful I will find myself
> disagreeing with him...
>
> I think it would be naiive in the extreme to say that past history has
> not seen injustice suffered by some groups at the hands of others. Name
> an ethnicity/religious group/creed/you name it, and if you root around
> you'll find some other group that oppressed them, and some other group
> that they oppressed. No group can survive that scrutiny.
>
> But, and I ask this question innocently, is there an obligation for us
> to atone for the wrongs of our ancestors, across the board, without some
> proof of direct culpability? I don't think that in general, that's the
> case. (if my father robbed you personally, and I benefited from the
> spoils even though it happened before I was born, it's legit to come
> after me for redress, since I inherited everything when he died... but
> don't ask me, a latecomer to this country, to make up for the 24 dollars
> worth of beads deal that got Manhattan for the dutch, if you see what
> I'm saying)
>
> And that is the argument against affirmative action. Discrimination by
> public facilities is wrong, and you can't fix it by discriminating in
> the other direction later.
>
> But Frank is right. To merely rail against AA without saying how you
> would improve the lot of those that have been unjustly discriminated
> against may not be the best way to argue against it.
>
> So what can we offer in its stead?
>
> We can offer the promise that we will not allow discrimination by public
> facilities. Ever. Period.
>
> We can offer the promise that we will not allow artificial barriers to
> entry to arise that would prevent healthy competition from effectively
> checking discrimination by private facilities.
>
> We can offer the promise that we will not let public charity money, with
> its stifling bureacracies, chase out good and healthy private charities
> which successfully work to help people who currently are struggling to
> better themselves.
>
> We can offer the promise that we will allow lots of schools to flourish
> without subsidising some at the expense of others.
>
> We can offer the promise that we will enable lots of different
> mechanisms to predict how well students will do in school, so that lots
> of different schools can arise and use lots of different techniques to
> reach children who may not come from the homogenised whitebread culture,
> but who nevertheless have to figure out how to succeed in it.
>
> And we can ensure that everyone is afforded equal protection under the
> law. Justice must be blind.
>
> Will that be enough? I believe so, but I might be wrong. Certainly what
> we have now seems to be fostering a permanent underclass. We have lost
> the Great Society War on Poverty, just as we have lost the War on Drugs.
>
> --
> Larry Pieniazek - larryp@novera.com - http://my.voyager.net/lar
> http://www.mercator.com. Mercator, the e-business transformation company
> fund Lugnet(tm): http://www.ebates.com/ ref: lar, 1/2 $$ to lugnet.
>
> Note: this is a family forum!
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| (...) So are you saying that in Libertopia, the LEGO test for some people and the SAT for others is ok (Larry said that using different tests for different people and different schools is ok, both implicitly in this most recent post, and more (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Frank raises some good points. But if I am careful I will find myself disagreeing with him... I think it would be naiive in the extreme to say that past history has not seen injustice suffered by some groups at the hands of others. Name an (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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