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(...) [snip] (...) [snip] Clint, I've already posted a huge message in this regard, which I hope everyone reads, and will maybe learn something from..., not that I presume to be worthy of teaching anybody anything. But I decided to reply to your (...) (25 years ago, 30-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Kyle D. Jackson writes: <much well-written reason and logic snipped> <it's polite too> <;)> Hear Hear! K.M. (25 years ago, 30-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hunh? We won. You, and us, and the UK, and France, and Russia, and the others. We won. What do you mean? Sure people died, but that doesn't change who won. (...) I think that this "we saved your butt" thing is a common response to feeling like (...) (25 years ago, 31-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There's not a lot of things that will get my "patriotic dander" up--but apparently the same thing gets Chris's up too. I'm a professional historian of modern Britain, western Europe, and modern Africa (it's a long and convoluted story (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll admit that I flushed with patriotic indignation when I read Mr. Jezek's post. As a geographer, I can, however, concur with Mr. Jezek that the American public school system often does not equip students with an adequate understanding of (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In addition to an industrial base which was not in danger of being bombed, and on top of that a growing momentum of industrialization. I would throw in though that I believe our freer system of government almost certainly amplified the (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You will find that there are many forms of democracy around the world, and many would argue that they are freer then in the American system. Despite what a lot of Americans believe theirs was not the first democracy, and not the model of (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Clint, I fully supported you up until the WWII comment. It belittles the contributions made by all the people who fought for freedom around the world, including Americans. I am Canadian, and have had both Canadian and American relatives die in WWII, (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"we saved your butts" That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and I would bet most of the Americans who fought in WWII would agree. To say "We fought & died along side of you, in the fight for freedom" is more accurate. We're not talking (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To say that the United States saved anybody's butt in WWII is ridiculous. I am American and have a tremendous amount of pride for the role that the US played in WWII but I wouldn't begin to think that the US saved anyone's butt. I personally (...) (25 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the (...) a (...) The war began in 1939. The U.S. joined at the end of 1941 (not exactly by choice, admittedly). The war continued on into 1945, so I have to disagree that the U.S. joined in towards the end. It's possible that Russia and (...) (25 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, this is off-topic.debate, so I wouldn't mind hearing some of this. Who is more free? How is it measured? I'm not even opposed to believing this, it just doesn't fit my current understanding of the governance of other nations. (...) It's (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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