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| | | Do you trust Diebold's touchscreen-based voting machines to record an accurate tally of votes? Why? Dave! (18 years ago, 9-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Two questions for the Conservatives and/or Republicans out there —John Neal
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| | | | (...) Why not, Dave!? There can't be cheating if the machines could be rigged so that it doesn't know which candidates are under which button (if that is your concern). It would be like a double-blind study. Surely you aren't implying that the (...) (18 years ago, 9-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Two questions for the Conservatives and/or Republicans out there —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) That only assumes that the machine can't rig it during the individual vote. Once the votes are cast and the moderator goes to the machine, how do we verify that Candidate A really got 7,500 votes and Candidate B really got 2,500? (...) Oh, I (...) (18 years ago, 9-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Two questions for the Conservatives and/or Republicans out there —John Neal
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| | | | | | | (...) Well, I am not beholden to Diebold for anything. It seems to me that the bottom line is that you don't trust them, not the equipment they produce. Companies will always have some bias, either left or right; that is a given. What doesn't follow (...) (18 years ago, 9-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Two questions for the Conservatives and/or Republicans out there —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I don't trust Diebold, that's true, but I wouldn't trust any company in the same situation, even an avowed Liberal company. Diebold is on record promising to deliver Ohio's votes to the President in 2004, and lo and behold... In addition, I (...) (18 years ago, 9-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Two questions for the Conservatives and/or Republicans out there —Jason S. Mantor
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| | | | | | | | (...) Umm... Diebold's CEO stated in a letter that he was committed to delivering Ohio's electoral votes to the president. (URL) keeping them in office guarantees they keep their gig, So why should we trust them, when it's been demonstrated over and (...) (18 years ago, 11-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Two questions for the Conservatives and/or Republicans out there —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Exactly. That's why it doesn't ring true for me. YMMV, JOHN (18 years ago, 11-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Two questions for the Conservatives and/or Republicans out there —Thomas Stangl
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| | | | | | | | Are you actually able to say that with a straight face after the last 6 years? I can't imagine doing so without Botox involved. (...) (18 years ago, 13-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Two questions for the Conservatives and/or Republicans out there —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) No Botox needed. Listen, Tom, if anyone produces concrete evidence ie facts and not just partisan conspiracy theories, than I am "all in". Instead, it seems that it's too easy for the left to just speculate from the hip and shoot away in a (...) (18 years ago, 13-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Two questions for the Conservatives and/or Republicans out there —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) John, are looking for evidence that the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen (and for which abundant evidence exists)? Or are you looking for evidence of subsequent lies, distortions, and exaggerations by the Bush administration (for which (...) (18 years ago, 13-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Two questions for the Conservatives and/or Republicans out there —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well, what I meant to say was: if there is such conclusive evidence out there, then where are the indictments? I know that there is a lot of speculative evidence, but nothing that would hold up in a court of law. You, of all people, have (...) (18 years ago, 13-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Two questions for the Conservatives and/or Republicans out there —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) Of course, such indictments would ideally be brought by the justice department, hand-picked by Bush. Additionally, no Congressional investigations can occur (at least, not ones with subpoena power) without the blessing of the majority party. (...) (18 years ago, 13-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Two questions for the Conservatives and/or Republicans out there —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) I guess it is only an issue when democrats lose. JOHN (18 years ago, 13-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Two questions for the Conservatives and/or Republicans out there —David Eaton
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| | | | (...) Of course you're not guaranteed, but you could do some 50/50 chance stuff. Imagine if one candidate is ahead in the polls with 75% of the vote (Sven), compared to another candidate with 25% (Twiggy). It could be argued that Twiggy has no (...) (18 years ago, 9-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Two questions for the Conservatives and/or Republicans out there —John Neal
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| | | | (...) Yeah, there's gotta be a way. Or, maybe the code is owned by the government and Diebold merely provides the hardware? I'm no expert in this area, but it seems to me that electronic voting shouldn't be such a huge issue. JOHN (18 years ago, 9-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Two questions for the Conservatives and/or Republicans out there —Jason S. Mantor
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| | | | (...) The current administration effectively owns the code now, and they're not going to let anyone see it. Open source is the only acceptable solution in this application. (18 years ago, 11-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Two questions for the Conservatives and/or Republicans out there —John Neal
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| | | | (...) Are you implying that there isn't any oversight by any Democrat? (...) That could very well be; the concerns to me would be the ones outlined by DaveE. JOHN (18 years ago, 11-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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