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| | | (...) You were just asserting that the US was a secular demo, no? We are. But most of our FF were men of faith and our very existence was due to those who were looking to practice their religion freely, so we have an integral, religious history. (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | (...) Which is all fine up until the point where the separation of church and state begins to be eroded. That point has almost been reached, and, with President Bush's new Court nominations is in danger of being reached. Mainly however, I was just (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) You are repeating simply the sour grapes of one group who isn't currently in power. Boo-hoo. Bush's nominations are eminently qualified to hold their positions. Even if Roe v. Wade were to be repelled, that still means nothing. Why is it that (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | (...) No John. I'm not repeating (nor speaking of) sour grapes. I have nothing against the conservatism of the appointees, I have something against the religious fundamentalism of them. You know, the same thing you don't like in Muslims. As it is, I (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) I frankly don't care what they believe; it's what they do that can concern me... (...) Harriet Miers was a terrible choice-- unqualified, and a crony. The Dems should be thankful that they were spared the job of excoriating a woman nominee (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | --SNIP-- (...) I agree completely, but we'll have to wait and see what happens before deciding on this. (...) Wasn't me who confused the two. It was you. Thus my statement above regarding conservatism and fundamentalism. (...) I've seen no proof (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Tim David
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| | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Timothy Gould wrote: --BIG--SNIP-- (...) But the flaw in that is that you don't have to be cohabiting to be married Another Tim (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Well, see, this is part of the problem. If we wait, for instance, until Iran gets nukes and uses them, then it is a bit late, don't you agree? This is the reason for pre-emptive strikes. A stitch in time and all of that. (...) I guess I was (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | (...) So you *do* care what gays believe? ROSCO (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Regarding what? (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'm just trying to establish whether the statement you made about Iranians above also applies to gays. Does it? ROSCO (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) I was speaking in the context of Sharia. I don't care if Iranians believe in Sharia or any other system of law and order. What I do care about is how those beliefs affect their policies towards the outside world. So I don't think that your (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | (...) That's what I was asking, thank you for clarifying. ROSCO (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Allister McLaren
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| | | | | | (...) So it's less about what they actually do than it is about what you believe they might do? a (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Not "less". What they are actually doing now is making serious threats and engaging in deliberately provocative behavior. So the question becomes, do we take them at their word, or do we take the chance that they are full of BS? We are being (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Allister McLaren
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| | | | | | (...) O take the threats and so-on seriously, but to go to war over them is ia bit over the top. As much as it may pain you to hear it, if you want to justify going to war, then wait until they do an act of war, not just threaten. Thwart plans, yes. (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —Dave Schuler
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| | | | (...) Hmm... (URL) "We are most certainly *not* a secular nation."> (Readers perusing that old thread for the first time should be warned that it took place before my now-characteristic patience and politeness were cemented...) Dave! (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Danish cartoons outrage some Moslem groups and nations —John Neal
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| | | | (...) lol Ah, using myself against myself, eh? Well, you've got a fool for a witness! Looks as though I was a bit contentious as well...:-o Okay, on to my apparent contradiction.... The United States of America is a secular democracy. Our very (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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