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(...) I have to disagree - horrible though it was, there was more to Nazism than just hate... Adn does it really matter WHY millions were killed? I like your EB MOCs, Lenny, and I think that this one may have crossed the line in polite society, but (...) (19 years ago, 9-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not arguing that Nazism is only hate - but that is based on hate. And yes, it does matter, to me. The people who killed thousands fighting the Nazis do not bear the same responcibility as the those who killed innocents for no reason except (...) (19 years ago, 9-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Samuel Morrison wrote: (...) Lenny wrote: (...) I would actually disagree. Sorry to go off on a theological tangent here, but I believe that no human does evil for the sake of evil (does Satan? hmm, still not sure), but rather for the sake of (...) (19 years ago, 9-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) My bad, I should have said murdered. Soviet murder vs. Nazi murder I don't se as much different. (...) And I disagree - it's raised a nice discussion, for one thing. This isn't obsenity. Offensive to some, sure, but that is what life is all (...) (19 years ago, 9-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is an interesting point of view here Bruce. Although I am not religious and I don't see things in terms of good/evil and sin. Nazism being based on hate is not doing evil for evil's sake. Within your metaphor, the hate of Nazism is to (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmm, now that is an interesting take. Care to expound? JOHN (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) How about this: I love cheesecake, but after I eat an entire one in a single sitting, my love is perverted into hate. Somehow I think that Mr. Hoffman was driving at a different point, though... Dave! (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You don't see a difference between a coordinated effort to complete destroy a race of people vs. a criminal justice system gone horribly wrong? Stalin had almost 30 years to kill roughly 20 million Russians - most of whom were killed in Gulags (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) There is an old saying that I enjoy: "The opposite of love is not hate, it is apathy." What love and hate have in common is that are a deeply passionate caring about someone else. "Caring" in the sense of concern/wonder about what happens to (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ah, but at whom is the hate directed? The cheesecake (which you love), or yourself (for spoiling the wonderful love relationship between you and the cheesecake), or God, who created such a perfect confection that, inexplicably, is not good for (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So it's not as bad if you stretch out your genocidal activities over a few decades rather than just one? And I'm sure a few ethnicities within the former Soviet Union may disagree that they committed "political" crimes. Like the Kulaks, the (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think it's a cross between hatred of the cheesecake "O, confection! What hast thou wrought upon my stomach!" and self-hatred "O, weak man! What hast thou wrought upon thyself?" Either way, it descends from the initial love. (...) WHY DON'T (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's not actually what he said, that's what you're inferring. (...) Yeah Lenny, lighten up. Samuel can give you funny lessons while wearing his rainbow swastika suspenders and hammer & sickle clown shoes. (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Are you suggesting the Kulaks, Chechnyans and Poles have been the victims of genocide? That would be a massive expansion to the definition of genocide. Again you snip out my point about American atrocities. Tell me the difference between (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: The Basis of Nazism, was Re: Schpiffkraft Hakenkreuz
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(...) Hmmm. You say that love and hate are not opposites, but isn't that exactly what "passionate-"positive" (love) to passionate-"negative" (hate)" is? The opposite of apathy would be passion, not hatred, in my view. If something has an opposite, (...) (19 years ago, 11-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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