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I found this a good read: (URL) who threaten to topple Israel:> "At the heart of all this is simple mathematics. Forecasts from the United States' Population Reference Bureau show Israel's population doubling in 45 years, that of the West Bank in 21 (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This sounds remarkably like the natalist scares/forecasts of interwar Europe (and, in fact, even before WWI) that raised a cry over German fecundity that would destroy France and England; it also isn't unlike dire predictions concerning the (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The Republicans in Northern Ireland are also said to be playing the waiting game. (...) I'm not sure how silly it is: + Israel’s population growth has not been internal. + The current state of affairs must be acting as a disincentive for the (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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dr_scott_arthur@yahoo.co.uk (Scott A) wrote in <Hr2E5y.17H7@lugnet.com>: (...) Many Jews feel that a Jewish state is the only place on earth where they can be reasonably safe. A feeling that's not wholly unwarranted, given details like the WW2 (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He's Scottish? Get him out of here! Dave! (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do you mean by "current worldwide antisemitism"; can you show than anti-Semitism is anymore prevalent that other forms of racism? After all, prisons in the USA are not full of Jews! Does racism against blacks not count? What happened in (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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dr_scott_arthur@yahoo.co.uk (Scott A) wrote in <HrHJ6M.1F4I@lugnet.com>: (...) No, but I don't need to. I didn't say anything about other forms of racism, I merely observe that antisemitism is alive and kicking. (...) But that's not what you were (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One reason is that the US provides massive funding and military support for Israel but not for other Middle Eastern nations. Additionally, Israel is after all, the only nation in the region confirmed to possess nuclear weapons, but the US (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) Wait for it.... Dave K -maybe he's just on vacation... (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Snipped everything I agreed with, leaving one little bitty bit... (...) yes... way too much. Asserted to be more than all the rest of the direct foreign aid budget combined but I don't have a cite that I trust handy... (...) Um, how many B USD a (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Doh! Good call. Time for me to fall back on good ol' fashioned Eurocentrism, in which Egypt is gathered under the umbrella of "quasi-European" nations rather than African or Middle Eastern states. Um, yeah. That'll be convincing. (...) Prop (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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orrex@excite.com (Dave Schuler) wrote in <HrHx8H.1zHJ@lugnet.com>: (...) So those other Middle Eastern nations can do whatever they want, because they're not on Uncle Sam's payroll? (...) Israel is also the only democracy in the region... (...) (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So why make an issue of the "current worldwide antisemitism" when there are bigger fish to fry? Can I assume we a agree that: Other forms of racism are more prevalent than anti-Semitism? The notion of a "Jewish state" is undemocratic? WW2 does (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Indeed! Note: For every dollar that Washington spent on an African, it spent $250+ on an Israeli! (...) You both appear to be missing something. Read (URL) this>: "There are many other costs of Israel to U.S. taxpayers, such as most or all of (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's not what I'm saying at all. In fact, in my post: (URL) asserted quite the opposite: (...) But Israel, as the coddled foster child of the mighty US, enjoys a privilege of protection that its neighbors do not enjoy. Therefore, Israel has (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is pretty clear that Isreal does whatever it wants because it is "on Uncle Sam's payroll". It is Isreal which has broken countless UN resolutions. (...) It is a democracy in the same sense that (URL) apartheid> South Africa was a democracy. (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Dave, get on message; it is termed a "Pre-emptive attack". Scott A (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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dr_scott_arthur@yahoo.co.uk (Scott A) wrote in <HrKu9v.2Jw@lugnet.com>: (...) The situation in continental Europe (where I live) is rather different. (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Harro de Jong" <hdejong@zonnet.nl> wrote in message news:HrHCB9.67E@lugnet.com... (...) I think the correct phrase should be "Anti-Israelism", and not "Antisemitism". And yes, it is getting bigger. Israel is hiding behind what the call (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I prefer the term "pro-justice". (...) Indeed; not content with suppressing free speech in the occupied territories, Sharon is now using the call of “anti-Semitism” to curtail it (URL) elsewhere>. Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) *Sigh* The item cited above is the result of an academic study which was published in a peer reviewed journal by a respected academic. Do you have something similar to support your argument, or are you just "shooting from the hip"? Scott A (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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dr_scott_arthur@yahoo.co.uk (Scott A) wrote in <Hrs768.1LwG@lugnet.com>: (...) In view of your response somewhere else in this topic, [quote] JO: I think the correct phrase should be "Anti-Israelism", and not JO: "Antisemitism". SA: I prefer the (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *SIGH* Did you even read the cite I gave in that post? My comment referred to that fact that a lot of legitimate criticism of the Israeli right is simply labelled as "anti-Semitism" by blind supporters of Sharon. Neither the term (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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