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Re: I think the 1st Ammendment was broken
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:


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   JOHN

Yeah, I seem to recall an arms buildup in “aggressive” Iraq to go invade the US... oh wait, it was the opposite.

No, it was Iraq invading Iran AND Kuwait. Busy, busy.

You’re going to bring up something that happened in “the last millenium”?

Is that supposed to be a joke?

   And didn’t Dubya’s Pappy, with the world backing him up, mind you, take care of that?

No he didn’t. He should have carried right on to Baghdad and deposed SH then. But he didn’t have the guts. Big mistake. On his defense, he abided by the UN charter. As I said: big mistake.

   And did ‘aggrassive’ Iraq do anything *lately* that would cause outrage from the world such that the world would back a military action against it?

Nope.

Thanks to Israeli aggression that knocked out their nuclear facility....
  
  
   Iraq wasn’t agressive at all--it was the US agressiveness--politically, economically, and militarity--agressive on all fronts--ramming this war thru no matter the cost or the consequences.

What is the cost? Didn’t cost you a thing. We paid for it, and gladly so. The price for freedom was relatively cheap IMO. Consequences? Millions have been liberated? You have a problem with that?


You didn’t pay it gladly--I saw the protests, I read the issues--the US didn’t pay for this *gladly*. Maybe you, John Neal, paid for this fiasco gladly, but many of your fellow Americans didn’t.

I would be interested to see the results of a poll of US citizens that went something like this: “would you give $40 if you knew that it would liberate 36,000,000 people from a brutal dictator?”


   And saying Iraq is liberated is putting a political spin on it, doncha think?

Not at all. It is simple truth. Iraq has been liberated from the brutal regime of SH.

   I hear the Iraqis want your armed forces to leave--they don’t feel ‘free’.

Depends upon which ones you talk to-- or from which spin engine you choose to get your news.


   Just because you freed them from their former oppressor, doesn’t mean you ‘freed’ them.

It does if you are referring to the oppression of their former oppressor.



  
No, history will not look on this fiasco favourably. Middle east history is already being written in the wake of more terrorist attacks. American Revisionist history may placate you, but world history will look on this ill deed as it is--wrong and unjust.


We shall see.

   The world didn’t stand with you because the world knew it for what it is--a warmongering, oil loving, president--look at all the news lately--“Iraq’s oil starting to flow within a few days”.


That’s a good, for Iraq most of all! How can you be so obtuse! Nobody is taking that oil-- they are paying billions for it! That is $$$ to help the people of Iraq-- not line the pockets of some SH like SH!

   Yeah, forget the starving citizens, the shelled infrastructure--let’s get that black gold going to all the corporations who put Dubya and Cheney where they are today.

How ignorant. The oil money never helped the citizens of Iraq under SH! Now it will!

   But you’ll just see the American Revisionism. It’s already starting to show--less talk of WoMD, which was *the* lead-up reason for this war, to “Look who we liberated--we’re vindicated!”

But revisionism only works for people who buy into it. The rest of us will strive for the truth.



Go for it.

JOHN



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  Re: I think the 1st Ammendment was broken
 
(...) How ignorant... No it won't. You believe that crap that Dubya's been telling you? Terry (21 years ago, 12-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: I think the 1st Ammendment was broken
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) You're going to bring up something that happened in "the last millenium"? And didn't Dubya's Pappy, with the world backing him up, mind you, take care of that? And did 'aggrassive' Iraq do (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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