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(...) Somehow DWB has become the example here, which wasn't the initial assertion. Initially, Scott asserted that success in America is somehow assured if your skin color was a particular shade. DWB is an issue of profiling, to which I have mixed (...) (22 years ago, 8-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope. I inferred that white folks have more "freedoms". That view is not "class warfare". That view is not “racism”. It’s a fact. When I was in Seattle a couple of months ago I notices 2 things: 1. Beggars tended to be black [and there was a (...) (22 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you inferred wrongly. They have the same "freedoms" everyone else has. There is one law for everyone. (...) Give me an example of an American law that grants whites more freedoms than blacks. (...) Sounds like an economic issue to me as (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John, You are being obtuse again. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Squirm. Please provide examples if you can of US laws that limit freedoms according to race. -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I never said there are "US laws that limit freedoms according to race". Did I? It is you who are squirming by avoiding the point - despite the fact that it has been made by more than just me. Shut-up or Put-up. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You: I inferred that white folks have more "freedoms". Well, what are they? -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More of them have the "freedom" to go on holiday in Edinburgh [Scotland] than do non-whites. ;) Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And for the third time, I assert that you are speaking about economics, not race. But you have managed to bury my original objection to your initial post with a barrage of obfuscation. Well done. -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When the economics are driven by race and an undercurrent of societal racism (not in every single person, but as a demonstrable trend in cultural character), then the economics are a symptom of the underlying racism. The fact that you, along (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You don't think they are linked? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In what way are they *SPECIFICALLY* linked. -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm asking you john why you think non-whites in the USA are genetically predisposed to have disproportionately less economic freedom. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you serious?? I have been *trying* to point out to you that, not only is such a spurious allogation not true, but *IT IS RACIST*. I never once made such a claim. Are you still beating your wife? -John (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not going to speak for Scott, but I took his meaning as: If we do a poll, we will find out that the *majority* of black people make a lot less money and live in disadvantagious areas of the US than the *majority* of white people. Since you, (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, but so what? Statistically, one group will *have* to make more than the other group-- what is the point? The point is that there are haves and havenots-- why introduce race into the equation? How does that ultimately matter? And what (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How did blacks get into the "less money" hole? Are you honestly trying to sweep slavery, racism, Jim Crow laws, blocking of access to education, discrimination in the workplace under the rug? If you pretend that this didn't happen, then you (...) (22 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *Are* all blacks in the "less money" hole? Why not? Why are millions well off, dispite all of the things you mentioned? I am not trying to sweep all of those things under the rug; I am calling for people who use such arguments as excuses to (...) (22 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why not? Why are millions well (...) You choose to dodge my question, so I'll ignore yours for the moment. Are you claiming that blacks haven't been put into a difficult position in the first place due to factors mentioned above? You may ask (...) (22 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not at all. Blacks *did* have serious civil rights issues. Most of the country has been able to get beyond simple racism. Today many blacks face many social and economic problems (as does everyone else!)-- but to continually blame racism is (...) (22 years ago, 13-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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