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Unfortunatly it looks like the link wraped so copying and pasting will be nessecary. (URL) interesting article. Especially considering he recognizes Bush's real motivation. -Mike Petrucelli (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The imperialism angle reminded me of this piece on the "Pax Americana": (URL) Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is, sadly, the exact kind of helplessness and futility that Scott and I were discussing in the other thread. I can read all of this, and it certainly seems consistent with what we know of Bush (eg: stolen elections and questionable (...) (22 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's going to take a while to digest all this info, may take more than one reading to get the full scope, but ditto to what Dave! just said. Welcome to the American Empire, where the liberties and freedoms of individuals anywhere in the world (...) (22 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well after reading that enlightening (for lack of a more suitable description) article, I now see that my previous opinion of; "liberating the Iraqi people would be a good idea," was nothing more than delusional idealism. Idealism truly is a (...) (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Armed rebellion...at least for a little while yet. Chris (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't be too hard on yourself -- it's REALLY hard to know what is going on without accessing more international sources. And it doesn't matter the source -- almost ALL media is controlled, and usually by people with hefty wallets. You have to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, maybe it's time for me to be a little foolish maybe. I think as long as they know we could revolt, there is likely to never be the actual need to do so -- rather like the concept of mutually assured destruction. I don't think they'll (...) (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Isn't that the real reason behind the "gun control is good" lobby? "Support gun control and give up your fundamental rights today." The Tyrants that actually believe what they do is for our own good, are the most dangerous of all. (I know, I (...) (22 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Warriors or Fools? (was Re: Former Iraqi General)
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Well, it's all just so many words now. From what I understand of it, our reps did well by us in the Bay Area, CA. What's everyone else's excuse? It is not generally thought that any war right now will be good for the economy. With low sales numbers (...) (22 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Warriors or Fools? (was Re: Former Iraqi General)
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(...) As if he weren't already a canonized thief, W has in a single stroke demonstrated that Clinton (anyone remember our most recently elected President?) was far from our least moral commander-in-chief. (...) Four of the six reps in my area voted (...) (22 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That may be *one* of the reasons, but it's no more insidious than the NRA's big-business pro-gun lobby, which has much less to do with personal freedoms than it has to do with lining the pockets of the gun industry. That's not to say that the (...) (22 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well as my original post was *meant* to convey, (of which the line was snipped,) was that what I assume is that most people who support gun control, actually believe it is for the overall good. I doubt most gun control advocates even think of (...) (22 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or are they one of the puppet-masters? (...) You'll know when there are no other options available. Seriously tough, if you look at the Declaration of Independence, ( (URL) ) you can see some startling similarities between the state that they (...) (22 years ago, 12-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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