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Re: Curious, if true
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Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:03:00 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva writes:
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> > OTOH, there are many disadvantages to the use of hypodermic syringes (sp?):
> > #1- There is a larger risk to contract diseases (AIDS, Hepatitis,...) from a
> > needle than there is from a syringe;
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> You mean when I step on one at the beach?
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> Or do you mean I'm supposed to care if junkies contract AIDS? I mean,
> hypothetically, I do care. But at the same time, that's a risk they are
> balancing as they make their decisions. It's not exactly any of my business.
I meant both. And it is our business as well, to take care of those who
can't take care of themselves.
> > #2- It is possible to vent a room easily, but is is risky to dispose of
> > abandoned syringes;
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> It is no easy task to be rid of the residue from smoke.
Depends on your level of tolerance; I lived in a smoke free environment and
was shocked the first time I entered my college's bar (smokey!); after a
couple of weeks I did not feel anything.
> > #3- IV drugs cause persistent wounds in the place of injection (in extreme
> > cases, limbs may have to be amputated);
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> That too should go into the decision of whether to engage in that behavior.
> But again, it doesn't have much to do with me.
C'mon, after one gets an addict you no longer care? That is mighty selfish.
An addict is a sick person, and must be treated. Not ignored. They don't
automatically become human waste!
> > #4- Most IV drugs are synthetic. This isn't a problem "per se", but the
> > amount of residual chemicals that are poisenous is not neglectable;
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> See above.
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> > #5- You will not become addicted to a drug by inhaling 2nd hand smoke, once
> > in a while; it is too sparse.
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> Agreed. So? I won't become addicted to a drug by being near somone as they
> inject it into their thigh, either. But if someone next to me is burning dried
> weeds then I am affected by their polution. Not so with the injection unless
> they discard their needle haphazardly.
Ta-daa!
> Maybe the solution to that is a $5 deposit on each complete syringe. Big
> brother should like that too for being able to track use.
Or syringe trade; we've had that for 6 years or so and results were
satisfactory. At least the disease transmission rate has slowed down a bit
through this vector.
> > It can be irritating, though (my personal
> > experience tells me it is no more irritating than tobacco).
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> Well, that's really what matters, isn't it? I figure that most folks are able
> to take care of their own health issues, but they don't seem to be able to
> contain their polution. No more irritating than tobacco indicates that you
> have at most a slight objection to the presense of tobacco smoke. I avoid it
> fairly vigorously.
I do not avoid it, but I do not seek for it either. If it comes, I can take
some. Obviously, I'd rather not. I really don't care that much...
> > I'm sure there are other reasons, and I'm also sure there may be other good
> > reasons to prefer IVD; IMHO, the IV ones are riskier to the non-users,
> > because of the dangers posed by the leftovers.
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> I'm sure that the magnitude of consequences associated with IV drug use is
> greater, but the risk itself is much less. So it's kind of a balance. I'm
> bothered by drug-smoke almost every day. I encounter needles on the beach less
> than once per year.
How often do you go to the beach? ;-)
I used to find needles in the railway tracks, in dark alleys, in gardens...
then the syringe-trade program begun and it became a lot better.
Smoke is a problem, OK; but one I feel less threatened by.
Now, I get the impression you are referring to the dangers of both sorts of
drugs *to you*; I meant *for the users*, initially. I am sorry if I lead you
the wrong way here.
Pedro
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| (...) Who can't? What about those who can (~99.99% of the population) but choose not to? Should they not have that right? If not, I find the world that you want to live in creepy. I even accept on some philosophic level that I have a responsibility (...) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) You mean when I step on one at the beach? Or do you mean I'm supposed to care if junkies contract AIDS? I mean, hypothetically, I do care. But at the same time, that's a risk they are balancing as they make their decisions. It's not exactly (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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