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Re: Conspiracy theories
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Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:46:57 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Grubber writes:
> > What i would like to know is:
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> > 1- what really happened to the flight over pennsylvania
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> That's one of the million dollar questions, and we may have to content
> ourselves with "the passengers appear to have disrupted the hijackers' plan
> which then resulted in the crash of the plane." It doesn't seem likely that
> we'll ever have a perfect picture of what went on.
Was there not a news item reporting that debris from that plane had landed
same way before the actual impact site?
Scott A
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> > 2- what happened to the 5th plane that was initially reported to have been
> > highjacked
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> My understanding is that this was reported in error. It seems clear that
> it wasn't hijacked and didn't crash, since some news agency or some
> eyewitness or some airline company would have mentioned the loss of a whole
> plane if it had really happened.
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> > 3- what happened with the car bomb that was reported to have exploded outside
> > the state department in washington
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> This was likewise reported in error, or at any rate no such explosion
> occurred. Again, given the hyper-sensitized atmosphere following the plane
> crashes, how likely does it seem that no civilian would report a car
> explosion? Surely you don't believe that the government is capable of
> pre-emptively shushing every possible witness?
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> > #2 and #3 were initially reported, then just disappeared from news reports. I
> > want to know why.
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> I agree; even though it's almost certain that they were reported in error,
> a more visible statement of the error would have been welcome and appropriate.
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> > Things i have heard (rumours):
> > - the pennsylvania flight *was* shot down, but the hero story was created to
> > soothe the nation. I would like to know more about the people who allegedly
> > recieved phone calls from the heros and their connections to the government
> > etc.
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> That plane crashed relatively near to my area (I'm in Pittsburgh) and
> there was considerable news coverage within an hour at the site. The few
> (as in, less than three) other planes reported in the area have been
> accounted for by their pilots. I don't have specific links on them at the
> moment, but I'll track them down if you're desperate.
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> > - The 5th plane (a Denver to New York flight) was shot down, over Colorado, en
> > route to the Hoover Dam, its intended target.
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> It seems impossible that a plane of any size would have crashed in the
> continental US without some word about it making the news. Perhaps it was
> vaporized by one of the Clinton-Era Death Satellites.
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> > There are dark deeds being done constantly, 'for our own good' and 'in the
> > nations interest'... Things have to change.
>
> Well, the particular players have changed, as have the particular pork
> projects, but this sort of abuse (and, perhaps more important, perceived
> malfeasance) has been going on since before the birth of formal government.
> Maybe things have to change, but they haven't yet in all of recorded history.
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> > I keep thinking that this whole situation reminds me of the graphic Novel 'The
> > Watchmen' by Alan Moore. If you haven't read it, do so, if you have, read it
> > again. If these people were sacrificed for a better world, maybe their deaths
> > weren't meaningless, but i think they died so some people (the rich) would get
> > a better world.
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> It seems that you've concluded that there was direct US Gov't involvement
> in either the planning or execution of the hijacking plot--do I misread you?
> At any rate, there's a big difference between teleporting a squid into New
> York and the implementation of questionable foreign policy.
> A fine graphic novel, even if Moore sometimes gets caught up in Being Alan
> Moore The Write. And I can't stand Dave Gibbons' art in any publication
> I've seen to date.
>
> > Sorry for the rant. I just watched fight club. Best movie ever made.
>
> I must have missed that one, but it's a shame that Brad Pitt and Ed Norton
> were in such a terrible film by the same name.
>
> Dave!
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| (...) I haven't heard that, actually. Do you know of a web cite? On the other hand, the more recent Airbus crash in Queens did involve several debris sites for the tail rudder, the engines, and the main body. Dave! (23 years ago, 23-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) That's one of the million dollar questions, and we may have to content ourselves with "the passengers appear to have disrupted the hijackers' plan which then resulted in the crash of the plane." It doesn't seem likely that we'll ever have a (...) (23 years ago, 21-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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