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| | | (...) And I suppose you think the people committing premeditated crimes own those guns legally? And banning handguns would keep them from owning them? You're not really that naive, are you? (...) No, that's by soccer moms and yuppies. I'd like (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | (...) All those poor naive people in Great Britain.... :-) Bruce (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | GB doesn't count - they don't HAVE the massive amount of guns already easily available on the primary new and secondary new/used market. Two TOTALLY different bases to start from. (...) -- | Tom Stangl, iPlanet Web Server Technical Support | (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | (...) A fair enough analysis, but I don't feel it provides a good excuse in the long run. The example is there (i.e. the notion is not naive), the rest is a matter of logisitics (though a monstrously sizeable one, as you note). But then again, (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | (...) And how many illegally held guns were at one point were in the hands of Joe Public legally? How many were obtained due to poor storage on the part of Joe Public (eg under the bed/pillow)? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | (...) Probably too many, but you handle that by making the punishment for losing track of a gun tougher, you don't ban guns when there are already millions out there. -- | Tom Stangl, iPlanet Web Server Technical Support | Netscape Communications (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) I'd handle that by not giving idiots guns. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Duane Hess
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| | | | | | (...) How do you diagnose, let alone enforce that? (...) -Duane (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Test them in some way. Inspect how the store their guns (this happens in the UK). Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Duane Hess
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| | | | | | (...) What would you use as criteria for testing? (...) Governing *who* is allowed to own a firearm is different than governing *how* a firearm is stored. How are inspections conducted? Are they random, or planned? Does the governement need (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) There are rules are regulations which must be met before a gun can be owned. 100% of those wanting to own a gun have there storage provision checked. A medical certificate is also required. Once one has a gun, I am not sure what checks are (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Duane Hess
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| | | | | | (...) I'm interested in what requirments must be met before I could buy a firearm in your country. (hypothetically speaking) Let alone what I would have to do to "properly" store such a weapon. This also does not take into account the fact that the (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) I don't know what their process is like, but I think that long arms must be allowed because it seems they have a plague of dangerous foxes that must be wiped out at all costs. If I understand the deal, you just can't have handguns. Chris (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | | | | | (...) No, we have a highly efficient method of dealing with that problem that involves lots of wealthy folk charging around on horses after a pack of hounds. Cruel, but I can sit back and let them have their fun. It's the ridiculous arguments that (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) No handguns. Shotguns for farmers, farm workers etc. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) There is an overview of Uk gun law here: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Duane Hess
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| | | | | | (...) Holy typos Batman! There are more typos on that site than I like to see. Overall though it has a lot of information. Unfortunately, it doesn't really answer my questions. Could you take another shot at providing me with answers? (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Storage: (URL) than that I have no real idea how to get a "firearm certificate". Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Duane Hess
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| | | | | | (...) Thanks, that was the type of thing I was looking for. -Duane (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | (...) You honestly believe that having a huge domestic market has no effect whatsoever on a criminals' access to weapons? That criminals would obtain handguns just as easily without a gun shop in every high street? That every handgun-related death (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | (...) It's too late - the market is in the untold millions already, closing the floodgates will only insure that ONLY criminals have them. If we were starting from ground zero, without millions out there, it would be a different matter. (...) I'm (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) Which is a violation of the constitution. (...) Which is a violation of the constitution. (...) It should be training for none. Chris (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) I wondered about this too. Do laws really vary that much state-by-state? Just wondering. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) Yes. And that's a good thing. The way it's supposed to work is that our states are almost individual nations. loosely federated for the purpose of administration and holding to constitutional edicts. The fact that states (and the federal (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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