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(...) Touché indeed. But before you celebrate too much, I submit Jon was talking about himself when he made the statement... :-) ++Lar (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You're missing a point here - WHO SAYS Jesus was God Incarnate. Why, you do, and the Bible (a conflicting, HUMAN AUTHORED document). Why do you believe the Bible is the True Word, and others are not? Other beliefs have been around FAR longer than (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Touché. -John (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ditto - all 3 of our cats were rescued. Doesn't stop me from being a Near Carnivore, though ;-) -- | Tom Stangl, Technical Support Netscape Communications Corp | Please do not associate my personal views with my employer (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, thank you - a good debater I am not. But that was my point. Basing your Faith on some conflicting book written 2K years ago BY MEN is just silly, IN MY OPINION. And NOTHING anyone says will convince me otherwise. Isaac Asimov could have (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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There are also debates on whether the oil is FROM plants and animals. The argument is that the oil reserves VASTLY outweigh the possible biomass from the past. There is a good argument for petroleum simply FORMING from various chemicals, just like (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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OK, I want to clarify a bit more here in hopes that this will be the end. (...) n.b. I'm no historian, and I'd love to have LFB chime in here, this is his area of specialty. Nothing that you did not personally witness can be "proven" to have (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes;-) The message is most important, because it finally reveals God's true nature. And although the following may sound circular, I think it makes sense. What makes Jesus so special and that He alone has the final revelation from God? The (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I doubt that the discussion will ever truly end, although the thread certainly will.... Thank-you for the perspective that you provided, as I suspect that although you only present it in illustrative form, that it actually provides a framework (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So, by your logic, it's ok for me to buy the jacket if I feel bad about it afterward? If not, then why do you keep buying LEGO if you truly feel bad about the ABS being a petroleum product? Is it ok or not? If you really sit down and think (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Let me take it from another perspective. YHWH, or God, really IS a God of war, but he's more than that. I see Jesus as the completer of the picture of God. That is, revelation is progressive. If you look at God's relationship with Noah, then (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Perhaps we should consider providing .debate as only an overspill bin for debates from other groups. This would prevent, to some extent, those who wish, at a whim, to create noisy and unproductive debates the ability to do so? I doubt it this will (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gee, I think this was Tom's point -- at least in a a way. See? Your perspective is that the bible is a kind of source of authority, yet you are able to pick and choose elements from it because it is an "imperfect" source. With all kinds of (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It may have more to do with the environmental destruction wrought by Dutch Royal Shell, mostly in the Arctic and in Africa. I'm more concerned about their activities from a human standpoint, but like most extractive industries, it's their (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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What does being a vegetarian have to do with feeling gulity about Shell sets and ABS plastic? The oil those two use is from creatures that died several hundred thousand years before humans even walked the planet. BTW, hemp makes TERRIBLE clothing, (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have had free education - pre-school to PhD. (...) Note quite, but that is the aim. (...) I suppose you'd call it "Welfare". (...) Nope. But nobody should be allowed to starve. (...) I don't want it. (...) I don't need it. (...) I don't need (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd ask what's more important, the message or the messanger? Is it the message that Jesus of Nazereth brought that is important, or who you claim him to be? Is the message only of importance because of who it is from, or because there is (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What if they can’t get a job? What if 50 million Latin Americans flood your labour market? (...) Sure... and the rich are not really rich when compared to the super rich. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If by "intrusion", you mean things like my doctor making sure I'm not abusing my kids - no. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I suppose the turnabout is fair, so I'll ask it: What evidence, if witnessed by or expressed to you (the 'you' being a believing Christian), would lead you to conclude that Christianity is incorrect, and that there is in fact no God (or at (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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