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(...) in (...) This is a good point. These days, within society as a whole, people are too concerned about staying within the law (often just within the law). I think one can be inside the law - but still be morally wrong. If "thinking people", as (...) (24 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've got just one comment here: A trademark owner is obligated to pursue situations like this or they could lose their trademark. That perhaps doesn't justify the discussion which is going on here, but that's beside the point. Note also that (...) (24 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) not (...) purchase. (...) OK, OK, OK. You've convinced me. There is no way to compromise on this issue. The gun-control advocates will have to be the first against the wall when the revolution comes. Chris. (24 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think that a strict reading of the 2nd goes against background checks entirely. It doesn't say "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, unless they don't think the same way that you do." (...) I think the first (...) (24 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not only that; in the Big Brother world you envision, they would no doubt make a note of your presence in a gun shop, whether or not you made a purchase. And in any case, if the function of this card were to clear you for gun purchases, they (...) (24 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I guess it'll have to be another bazooka for me again this year, then! Dave! (24 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I guess that could be part of it, but my main thought was that the organization issuing the license would need to be sufficiently recognized as having good requirements, but maybe that's unworkable without something very specific. Of course (...) (24 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, whenever anyone trots out the "but there are loonies out there with guns who shoot people" I trot out the example of the Texas McD massacre in which one victim, who lost her father or brother, I forget, but who got off scot free, said (...) (24 years ago, 13-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure, but is what you are envisioning, like firearms rights insurance? Where the licensing authority would be liable for misuse of the firearms by holders of their license? (...) Do you mean at the time of purchase? Presumably the (...) (24 years ago, 13-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I had specifically envisioned a card that wouldn't leave a paper trail. Since it's for a limited time - say two months - it just affirms my right to purchase arms, and a dealer of arms would be able to sell to me without verifying anything. I (...) (24 years ago, 13-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) they (...) What does this rebut? I hear people make arguments based on the idea that the founders didn't know what weapons would be like, but I never really get how that matters. The point is that the people must have access to weapons (...) (24 years ago, 13-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You really think so, in today's infocentric society? Come on, you're smarter than that. If grocery stores keep track of our purchases through their stupid little "value" cards how hard do you think it would be for the government to pull (...) (24 years ago, 13-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Christopher Weeks wrote in message ... (...) least (...) I would be in favor of a gun "license", however, I would like to see any group who can show that their are serious about how they give out the license being able to give them out (a huge (...) (24 years ago, 13-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ignoring for a moment that this is the classic falacy of "slippery slope" reasoning, as well as the spectre of "nazi=forfeited argument," you've made a few compelling points. By the way, can you cite a web-reference for that translated Nazi (...) (24 years ago, 13-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When the 2nd was written, cutting-edge weapons technology took about a minute to load a single shot. Today, how long does anyone realistically think that anything other than a phenomenally large group of organized, trained, private civilians (...) (24 years ago, 13-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) carried (...) Why should that be limited to man-portable weapons. I disagree. Since the ponit of the 2nd is clearly to keep the citizens armed to the point where they can reject the government, then all ordnance available to the government (...) (24 years ago, 13-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow. (...) Well, I don't think that it's that simple. For instance the MMM's main goal is to have universal registration federally organized. I think it is pretty clearly (mostly) possible to maintain a registry of weapons entering the nation (...) (24 years ago, 13-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 100 percent aggreed (...) Exactly. Did you guys know Sarah Brady fonder of Handgun Control Inc. was qouted some years ago as saying, "Socialist America can not be realized until those who would oppose us have been totally disarmed." Everyone (...) (24 years ago, 13-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) for (...) people (...) carried (...) Preach on, Brother Larry! While I don't think that we need to be packing around assault rifles, I agree with everything else you say. They say guns kill people? Please. I've never seen a gun, even a loaded (...) (24 years ago, 13-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 2 points on MMM. - it's so political it's not funny. Organised by the sister in law of Susan Thomases? Like that's grass roots. Please. - If they really wanted to do something about gun violence, more gun control laws aren't what is needed. (...) (24 years ago, 13-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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