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(...) Are you suggesting the Kulaks, Chechnyans and Poles have been the victims of genocide? That would be a massive expansion to the definition of genocide. Again you snip out my point about American atrocities. Tell me the difference between (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I would imagine it's hurtful to the Jews that survived the camps, as well as Jews in general. But I guess I really don't know. You seem to know what is and isn't hurtful 3o:) This is an emoticon of me teabagging you. It doesn't hurt anyone... (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's not actually what he said, that's what you're inferring. (...) Yeah Lenny, lighten up. Samuel can give you funny lessons while wearing his rainbow swastika suspenders and hammer & sickle clown shoes. (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Correct. The question specifically stated "act". Samuel is framing my answer with what he thought, not what he wrote. (...) I choose not to. You can split hairs all you like, but a symbol represents something. In this case, it represents the (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think it's a cross between hatred of the cheesecake "O, confection! What hast thou wrought upon my stomach!" and self-hatred "O, weak man! What hast thou wrought upon thyself?" Either way, it descends from the initial love. (...) WHY DON'T (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So it's not as bad if you stretch out your genocidal activities over a few decades rather than just one? And I'm sure a few ethnicities within the former Soviet Union may disagree that they committed "political" crimes. Like the Kulaks, the (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ah, but at whom is the hate directed? The cheesecake (which you love), or yourself (for spoiling the wonderful love relationship between you and the cheesecake), or God, who created such a perfect confection that, inexplicably, is not good for (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So basically you're saying Ross is a hypocrite? Well, I'm a hypocrite and so are you, Larry, and everyone else in the world. The person who says they've never been hypocritical is not only a hypocrite but a liar as well. The world would be (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pretty simple - if it doesn't hurt anyone to make a statement, it should be protected. But if we start restricting things because it upsets someone, we're starting down a slippery slope. Offensive speech is the only type that really needs (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) argument/question. But then, isn't it possible for Ross to deny that he made snide comments at all? Although I suspect that would be a pretty bold denial, since Ross does make snide comments all the time. I guess my point is that its a bit (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Its called a Loaded Question, a type of fallacious argument. A question with a false, disputed, or question-begging presupposition[1]. In your case the presupposition is that ROSCO's comments are snide. Ross in turn countered with the classic (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, no he isn't. You are. You said "should we restrict someone's right to ACT like a jerk if they want to?" "Act" generally means action, not speech. (...) I'm not sure Nick is advocating the legal restriction of speech in any respect. (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) There is an old saying that I enjoy: "The opposite of love is not hate, it is apathy." What love and hate have in common is that are a deeply passionate caring about someone else. "Caring" in the sense of concern/wonder about what happens to (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You don't see a difference between a coordinated effort to complete destroy a race of people vs. a criminal justice system gone horribly wrong? Stalin had almost 30 years to kill roughly 20 million Russians - most of whom were killed in Gulags (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) How about this: I love cheesecake, but after I eat an entire one in a single sitting, my love is perverted into hate. Somehow I think that Mr. Hoffman was driving at a different point, though... Dave! (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmm, now that is an interesting take. Care to expound? JOHN (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is an interesting point of view here Bruce. Although I am not religious and I don't see things in terms of good/evil and sin. Nazism being based on hate is not doing evil for evil's sake. Within your metaphor, the hate of Nazism is to (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Maybe I'm slow, but I'm not following here. What does this even mean? (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hehehehe, nice! ~Kevoh (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Colorful language, albeit in acro form, should stay there, too. JOHN (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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