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(...) What if the belief system itself is flawed? As I understand it, to be a good muslim, one has to follow sharia (religious law). Sharia is used as civil law in many countries and in many others, it's being pushed as something that SHOULD be used (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm seeing that the term "Enlightenment" was probably too loaded a word for the idea I wished to convey. What I meant by it was an intellectual passing into the 20th Century. By most accounts I have read, it is generally agreed that Islam is (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, say we compared it to the percentage of extremist Christians for example. I don't know what that number is, but judging from reported Christian terrorist attacks I'd say that it is pretty low. Even if the percentage of extremist Muslims (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) France has long had a difficult relationship with Arab countries due to its colonialism in North Africa (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia come to mind). That reverse migration has happened only seems appropriate: the link worked both ways. There has (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It might be useful to have a clear, legitimate tally of extremists relative to the whole sample population. We can't use the US media or Arab-state-run media, since both of these sources are tainted. There are over a billion Muslims in the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thank you. But really, I haven't a problem with Islam per se. There are many peaceful Muslims. What I *do* have a problem with are extremist Muslims who tend to comprise a shockingly high percentage of the Muslim population, and the seemingly (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All right. Why don't we use the term "bigot" then? (...) If you're going to use the term "enlightenment" as litmus test to determine whether a group is worthy of respect, then you need to throw out groups that work to foster pseudoscience in (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh, I thought that they were silently disagreeing with me. But so what if they do? You don't seem to care about what others think of your views. Are you suggesting that I keep quiet because the majority happen to think differently than I do? (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, let's put away the racist card already. Islam is a *religion*. Followers of Islam are *Muslims*. "Arab" is a race term, not "Muslim", okay? (...) Sorry I wasn't clear in my meaning: "Enlightenment" A philosophical movement of the 18th (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pot, kettle. You are probably the most uncivil individual in this NG. JOHN (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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