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  Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
 
(...) I think he's much less dangerous than people like you, John. Because Richard, while often extremely annoying, is more interested in everyone's freedom from oppression. You, however, are one of the most oppressive people in this forum, and if (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: My over-simplification of the anti-war movement
 
(...) BuzzFlash asks Greg Palast: "What the Heck is Going on With Tony Blair?" (URL) Tony has figured out a way to shoot down a couple of enemies at once. All politics is local, including international relations. Tony Blair is using the war on (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: My over-simplification of the anti-war movement
 
I actually do agree with you on a few points here. I agree that Bush’s diplomacy was imperfect. I, however, believe the other side. I think he spent far too much time in debate and discussion. I have little patience for diplomatic posturing and (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: My over-simplification of the anti-war movement
 
(...) Bush's justifications for this war changed almost weekly, it seemed. Now, within the terms of diplomacy, this can be understandable to a point as you may find it advantagous to emphasize different aspects to different people, but it seems more (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  My over-simplification of the anti-war movement
 
I don’t have the chance to respond with the same level of frequency here on OTD as many of the regulars, so this may sound like a hit and run, as I will voice my opinion and probably not respond to rebuttals in a timely fashion. I, however, desired (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The French Have Gone Too Far
 
(...) Um hello? "Before" what? 9-11, all the embassy bombings, WTC bombing #1....? (...) Peace?!?! You are the one single-mindedly attacking people for having differing views from you! (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Evidence? Who needs evidence?
 
"Special Search Operations Yield No Banned Weapons" (URL) the final word of course, but it doesn't speak well of american intelligence sources. Sure is great to mount a war on nothing more than suspicion and impatience. -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Newspeak 2003
 
"Iraqi ultralights spotted over U.S. troops" (URL) Gen. Victor E. “Gene” Renuart Jr., director of operations for Central Command, was quick to label the bombing as an act of terrorism. “That kind of an activity is a symbol of an organization that is (...) (22 years ago, 30-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  My Concession (for John mostly)
 
The 'Coalition of the willing' is *trying* to 'fight the good fight'--*trying* to stay on the moral high ground. SH, et al, have no such compunction. My point has always been that we don't always follow our ideals when they're "inconvenient". SH, as (...) (22 years ago, 30-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Newsbit: Something I Hadn't Noticed About Patriot Act II
 
"Justice Dept. Drafts Sweeping Expansion of Anti- Terrorism Act" (URL) 501, “Expatriation of Terrorists”: This provision, the drafters say, would establish that an American citizen could be expatriated “if, with the intent to relinquish his (...) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Newsbits: Defense Contractors and Water Barons
 
"Advisors of Influence: Nine Members of the Defense Policy Board Have Ties to Defense Contractors" (URL) How elected officials and registered lobbyists apportion your money. This would be why we must fear the military industrial complex (perhaps our (...) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The Frog Apologizes and Shuts Up (at least for now)
 
(...) Whether any particular person has thick enough skin to not allow rudeness to effect his emotional state doesn't change the rudeness. Richard is traditionally much more clever in his responses to people than he has been in the past weeks when (...) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)  
 
  Re: The French Have Gone Too Far
 
(...) I see no reason why the people of Iraq shouldn't wage war if they feel it's warranted. Even on the US, UK and Australia if they see them as a potential threat sometime in the future. ROSCO (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The French Have Gone Too Far
 
But without the war part, right Rosco? -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The French Have Gone Too Far
 
(...) to justify war against Saddam - a "nightmare scenario" in which he might eventually pass weapons of mass destruction to terrorists." Now go back and read my last link. ROSCO (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The French Have Gone Too Far
 
(...) Sounds fair to me. ROSCO (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Newsbits
 
"First Stop, Iraq" (URL) Saddam. We're taking him out." Those were the words of President George W. Bush, who had poked his head into the office of National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. It was March 2002, and Rice was meeting with three U.S. (...) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Conspiracy Theorists Regroup!
 
(URL) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The French Have Gone Too Far
 
(...) Your bigotry betrays you... (...) Because of their *own* self-interest. They don't give a rat's patootie about the Iraqi people. What say we let the people of Iraq decide their own destiny. (...) Or we liberate them, and create a valuable ally (...) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rats Leaving the Sinking Ship (Re: Just Teasing...)
 
(...) From the same article: "I found his resignation shocking," said one official closely involved in the domestic fight on terror. "And it might reflect a certain frustration over the allocation of resources. But I'm not positive that there's a (...) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)


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