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  Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
 
(...) Absolute Wow! for the article, Richard. Just to start a different debate, one of a more political nature, and one where I don't have an opinion (yet ;) )... Will, or could, the "American Empire" fall, much akin to the former Soviet Union? (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
 
(...) Sorry, Dave. Some nations are better than others. That's no slur against those who happen to live in the nations that aren't up to snuff. But when you say stuff like "We, all of us, are equal nations", you're being tiresome. Note that I didn't (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
 
(...) Because I am a red-blooded american boy; living, breathing, working, and striving for all that is great and good for my world; and because I am committed to a larger project which takes the downturns and the upswings with a grain of salt; (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: !
 
(...) More important that 'freedom toast'-- "Two U.S. officials also said Iraqi dissidents slated to take prominent roles in any postwar administration have voiced concerns about the U.N.'s role. "The U.N. has a history of slow, bloated bureaucracy (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  !
 
(...) <snip> (...) Also on CNN today: Bush rallies troops at Central Command in Florida (URL) Air Force One on the flight to Tampa, the breakfast menu included stuffed "Freedom Toast," the latest example of changing menus to show displeasure with (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Just once... that's all I'm asking...
 
(...) [Unless they are allies: Pakistan & Israel come to mind] (...) [Yeah, hes already shown himself to be "thankful " for *others* fighting for his country: Vietnam comes to mind] (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
 
*Applause* (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
 
(...) What? You think America the Great is the only country that 'produces countless blessings upon the world'? You act as if America is the second coming, John! We, all of us, are equal nations (or at least should be), and the second you start (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Just once... that's all I'm asking...
 
Just once I would love Dubya to have a speech about this war of his and not infer that's it's due to 9/11 His speech in the Pentagon-- "Eighteen months ago, this building came under attack. From that day to this we have been engaged in a new kind of (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
 
(...) I agree with some of that, *but* your [collective] "love of Freedom and liberty" is not reflected in your support for all manner of deviants [both current & past] is it? Is self-interest more important than your [collective] "love of Freedom (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
 
(...) I have to say, I could not agree more with this point. Searching for legal loopholes to justify highly questionable in/actions is a major annoyance to me. The UK's use of cluster bombs in Iraq [anti-personnel bombs in all but name] is an (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
 
(...) She also writes in that article (and indirectly criticizes you for your one-sided except): "It would be unfair to reach these harsh conclusions without pointing out that America does provide much aid and expertise to the developing world and (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
 
(...) Ouch! Down goes Fraser! He'll be reeling after that hit! Dave K (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
 
(...) Indeed, whole countries have been invaded [allegedly] on that basis. :-\ Scott A (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
 
(...) Before someone points out my error, I should have describe the woman's actions as "second degree murder" rather than "third degree murder." I'm reluctant to address the specifics of your story in case further details should be revealed as we (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
 
(...) Not to try to single folks out, but your "Dream of America the Perfect" must be revisited--Directed at John 'Faith in their own exceptionalism,' she writes, 'has sometimes led to a certain obtuseness on the part of Americans, a tendency to (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Iraq contracts 'open to all' [?] [was Re: If I were a conspiracy nut...]
 
(...) We will see: Iraq contracts 'open to all' (URL) United States has assured foreign companies that they will be allowed to bid for contracts for the reconstruction of Iraq after the war is over. There has been concern in Britain and elsewhere (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Pelton wheels, photovoltaics, hydro, biomas and marine current [not the "war"]
 
(...) Not in Scotland; here photovoltaics & wind power are predictably unpredictable. We are taking a centralised broad-spectrum approach to renewables: hydro, biomas, wind and marine current power. Right now about 10% of our power needs come from (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Geneva Convention Violation by Rumsfeld & "unlawful combatants"
 
(...) I understand there are outstanding cases [from both sides] from Vietnam & Korea. (...) This powerful text lists the articles that have been broken: One rule for them (URL) Bay, in Cuba, where 641 men (nine of whom are British citizens) are (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  extra-judicial executions
 
(...) If pictures do exist, there are cultural reasons why we would not show them. That does not mean that extra-judicial executions are not occurring. I read this report from Afghanistan yesterday: One rule for them (URL) interviewed a Northern (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)


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