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(...) If they actually knew what freedom was, would they still not want it? Until everyone is free, peace will never exist. I think it would be worth the cost of both money and lives if we (everyone on Earth) could teach our grandchildren's children (...) (22 years ago, 20-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hard to argue with that. Yet I call you attention to the fact that the Algerian dicatorship is on the anti-islamist side, making it a whole more complicated matter. (...) If you were getting paid, wouldn't it be "tribute" to the ruling empire? (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't know if I'd count this as supporting your position or not, since the details indicate special status, but here's a peace bone I can throw ya that I found on the web: (URL)Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 20-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I was getting a little shrill and I apologize. He made very valid points both here and off-line and now that there was a cool-down time for me, I see that. Again, I'm sorry. Go about the business of fine debate. Dave K (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Worse: even when the agenda is not there visibly, all we get is a snapshot of a detail and not the panoramic view. (...) And again I pick my comparison: what happened to dissidents in the 1500's? they went to the stake. The modern day (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't see how obliterating everything helps those under dictatorships. I also don't see the point in risking what freedom we have to help people who don't want it or can't maintain it. I think you statement goes way beyond Patrick Henry's. (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And Bush! ;-) -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: Why bring Islam? (...) Problem is, you're not going to. Not saying there aren't lots of repressive regimes in the non Muslim world, mind you, but there sure aren't very many NON repressive ones in the (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll make my point below. (...) I don't watch CNN-- heck, I don't watch network news either because as you correctly point out, they are agenda-driven. (...) I agree, and here is my point. *Sensible*, rational Arabs need to SPEAK OUT against (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think you misunderstood me. By "doing nothing" I don't mean about just Saddam. I mean every dictator, even the ones the US is friendly toward. Untill all of the people of the world are free from tyranny, (including but not limited to US and (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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