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  Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) This is true. History shows that some of the greatest thinkers and artists have not been truly appreciated in their own livetimes… indeed that may well have given them motivation in their endeavours. (...) I think this issue was raised before. (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) I heard an economic analyst on NPR sum up the California energy crisis with this analogy: You own a McDonalds. The production costs of a Big Mac has risen to $6 each, but you are forced by the government to stay in business and sell them for (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) Larry: I'm much persuaded by many of your arguments in favor of Libertarianism. I have, however, some lingering doubts about Libertarianism on a fundamental level. In other words, I feel that it is based on a principle (insofar as I understand (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Is there any dentists here?
 
I need help on translating some expressions from portuguese to english and some research. Do you know something about the CPOD index? Klein and Palmer index? Do you know any resources on the internet where I can find statistics about this? TIA, -- (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) Its all corporate graft. Here in Houston (home of Enron, which has been fighting a court order to sell power to California), our energy costs are expected to triple this summer. Why? Even in August, Texas' month of peak demand, our energy (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) Bruce, I have to agree with you. The measure of a company's success is its level of profit - not the level of corruption involved. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) blizzard (...) The California Independent Sysytem Operator monitors the state's power grids, and if they project that demand will exceed supply they issue a power alert (these come in Stages 1-3-- I believe a Stage 3 is the worst and (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) That's something of a simplistic statement. The problem lies in that monopolistic businesses that control something that is in the vital interest of everyone in the entire state showed an apalling lack of foresight, with the bottom line of (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) I'll buy that (metaphorically) on paper, but I can't shake the feeling that, in practice, the corrupt companies would quickly take steps to erect barriers to entry. In theory, a government, even a big one, directly and quickly accountable for (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) Power corrupts, be it business or government. As to corrupt (and therefore inefficient (Oh?)) companies getting displaced by honest ones: looking at Big Oil and Hollywood, I gotta disagree. ;-) Bruce (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
Yup, all the electric clocks in my house were blinking when I got home. At least where I work has been declared a "critical installation" and isn't subject to blackouts - allegedly, since I'm at a slightly offsite facility and we are all wondering (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) Clearly your second amendment rights are being violated. As long as that sub is "man portable" that is. So start building! ++Lar (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) Less government power, less possible avenues of corruption. Yes, private interests also can be corrupt, but as long as there are no barriers to entry, corrupt (and therefore inefficent) companies get displaced by honest ones. ++Lar (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
Congratulations. Try being without power for 3 days in the middle of a blizzard in January. :-/ Do they give you any advance notice of specific outages (like: we're dropping power to your house from 6:00pm to 8:00pm)? Steve (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) What? Can you imagine the screams of protest as the citizens of California had to pay the *actual* costs for both their energy and short-sitedness? No politician could endure the horror of enraged voters! Steve (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) Are you crazy? The 2nd Amendment guarantees that you can have one! What's wrong with you?! 8^) (...) "Let me control the power supply, and I don't care who makes the laws." Dave! (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) Oh sure, I'll just go right out and hook up my nuclear sub. Oh wait, I don't own one. Guess I'll just keep bending over for the power company. ~Grand Admiral Muffin Head (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) Why don't you do what the Soviets did in Murmansk? To run the power grid, they hooked up the nuclear submarines to the grid to keep the power stable and affordable. best Lindsay (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) True. The problem is that you can't buy power that there's no generating capacity for. The issue is more that California's power infrastructure sucks, as you point out: (...) I had always been under the impression that California had been (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) Most people I know (who express an opinion on the matter) are aware of the corruption and are equally aware that there's little the average citizen can do about it. <insert third-gov't-party ad here> As long as humans are subject to greed, and (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)


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