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(...) The difference is that eBay (unlike a caller) isn't doing any flogging/promotion for the item. That's my main point. eBay provides an interface, but that's it. My other point (only implied, mostly) is that eBay will (IMHO) promote the idea (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Hmm. I hadn't been arguing this in a legal sense, actually. Legally I haven't a clue who's doing what. :) My main reason for thinking the auctioneer is the seller is that all eBay provides is an interface between buyers and sellers. Any (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) But isn't that analogous to real-world auction houses? They typically aren't actually auctioning anything either, just providing a venue and a caller (didn't want to call them auctioneers to avoid term confusion) in exchange for a percentage (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Sorry to jump in... just putting in $.02-- I'm of the mind to think that legally, it could be arguable that ebay is doing the actual auctioning... I think the best argument is the one previously presented: how is it different from hiring a (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) ones (...) the (...) Ebay determines the conditions under which you may auction things using their venue (including min bids, increments, etc), but they do not actually auction anything. They sell eSpace to auctioneers. This is (among other (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) (starting (...) While I would never underestimate the grasping perfidity of a politician of any party other than Libertarian, this may well be one of those urban legends in the making. One which, 8 months from now, we will equate to the "Post (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) I think there are arguments against that. eBay must just provide the service, but they also run the auction. The seller sets some of the parameters (starting bid, duration of auction, visibility), but the seller does not set bid increments, (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) US S@H does not have the set in its database. They are still available in the UK, at least through BusyBee Toy Service. Ed (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) If I am the auctioneer, and not eBay, then why can't I set the terms of bidding (minimum raises, how the auction ends, etc)? It seems to me that semantically, eBay is the auctioneer. (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Apparently US children have a mythical ability to blind/choke/impale/f...e/mutilate themselves whenever they're presented with a "shooting" toy, so that some manufacturers avoid making such toys out of a kneejerk fear of kneejerk lawsuits. (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) I haven't ever asked if cannon service packs are available from S@H. If they are, they won't be of the shooting variety. Are these still available in the UK? I might need to get someone to get me some. I've been getting them from Italy, but (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction, lugnet.pirates)
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What is the situation with these items... I have tons of them (well a few actually). Were they not available in the US? Are they still not available in the US? Scott A (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) It's the holiday season; give the post office a little more time - this is their busiest time of year. Did the seller use tracking numbers? Paul Sinasohn bearitone@my-deja.com (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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This his a hard time of year for acting on matters like this due to the Xmas rush. I suppose it comes down to trust. Does your seller have any proof of posting? Scott A James Beerman wrote in message ... (...) priority (...) should (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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I recently (about a month ago) won an auction on ebay. I sent payment and I haven't received my winnings yet. The seller said he sent it priority mail on 12/3. I have no reason to not believe him, but at what point should I take action and what (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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* * * Auction 9 Volt Train Sets * * * L Set Name St Bid Bidder 1 - 9v Trains Start Set - 50 min. 2 4537 Twin Tank Transport SD 34.5 Scott Arthur 3 4544 Car Transport Wagon SD 25 Mark & Milissa Millere 4 4548 Speed Regulator SD 20 Jan-Albert van Ree (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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I got a little carried away. Sure, you could easily make the lots viewable locally. Still at best, the Massachusetts law (and others) is ill-worded to apply to online auctions. Which underscores the real risk, that existing laws will be clumsily (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Actually, no. Ebay is "only a venue" - which is the electronic equivalent of an auction house. They provide a "place" and advertising, whereas any actual auctioning that's done is by the people who buy time. James (URL) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Umm, not true. You put it up for auction. You put it on display (in, say, a store). Someone can bid without going to the public showing. The law is only meant to guarantee that bidders *can* examine the lot for bidding *if the desire*. If (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) No, eBay is the auctioneer. You don't submit bids to the sellers, you submit bids to eBay. I doubt you need to get a license (which in NC requires training and passing a test) to hire an auctioneer to dispose of poor deceased aunt Mary's (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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