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(...) No. Not required. The auction system doesn't have to be fair to be working "correctly". But the RULES can be broken. And I'm with you, the rules in eBay that allow a one penny overbid to take a solid wide range proxy bid away are indeed (...) (25 years ago, 21-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) I don't know if you're splitting hairs, but splitting hairs is probably a good thing in this case. :I This whole area/topic (auction theory) is something that I'm extremely opinionated[1] about -- and not afraid to show it, even at the risk of (...) (25 years ago, 21-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | Glen's Assorted Lego Auction - 4/20 Update
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*** Items have progressed to "Going 2". If no new bids are received, the auction will progress to "Sold" on Thursday 4/22. Items with bids will progress every two days until sold. *** Hello all. It is time again for another auction. Following is a (...) (25 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Maybe a bit subjective, yeah. :) (...) And fairly. (...) I'll explain why it's broken below... (...) The behavior isn't broken given the rules. The rules are broken. EBay's rule (requiring a new bid to exceed the current bid by the minimum (...) (25 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) As usual, if you pay me in USD, you pay 1.00 extra. If you pay in UK pound sterling you pay <whatever it costs you to arrange for that> extra. If you live in the US, usually I am cheaper, but you decide what you want to do. (25 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Not to split hairs, here, because now that I'm reassured that AucZILLA works the way it does, I like the way it works... but isn't "correct" a bit of a stretch? I'd say an auction system is working "correctly" if the rules it claims to (...) (25 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Any indications that AucZILLA doesn't work correctly have been incorrect. (...) What do you mean by "this way" and by "that sort of algorithm"? By "computationally inefficient" do you mean 1/1000 second versus 1/10000 second to process a bid? (...) (25 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | Update 4/19/99 pm: Pirate Auction - correction
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Hello all, Well, I goofed. Osvaldo's bid on 725 is actually $35. I'm sorry if this confused anyone. Current bids: 725 Osvaldo Fernandez $35 Going once 6289 Alex Eulen $100 Sold 6289 Otis Anderson $100 Sold 6289 Frank Filz $110 Sold 6263 Frank Filz (...) (25 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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I've decided to take the plunge - unbelievably though it may sound, I actually appear to have more Lego than I want at the moment - so it's time to auction some off. I'm offering the following 5591 MODEL TEAM Mach II Red Bird Rig bids opening at $50 (...) (25 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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Apart from a few replies that have indicated AUCZilla and possibly others don't work, this way, I'd be surprised if any bidding software actually used that sort of algorithm to calculate the new bid, simply because it's such a computationally (...) (25 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Yes, of course. (...) That's broken. --Todd (25 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Here's a couple items from eBay's FAQ for bidders that should clear up how eBay proxy bidding works. The second one clears up scenario 3. Rob ----- Excerpted from: (URL) I bid against myself, and yet the bid increased. Why? A. Normally a (...) (25 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) SCENARIO 3 Bidder A bids $100, with a proxy max of $150. Bidder B bids $150.01, bid type is irrelevant. Outcome: B is High bidder with $150.01, and increment is ignored. A has no first bid benefit - a trade-off for the benefit in scenarios 1 (...) (25 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | Update 4/19/99 pm: Pirate Auction - New Item added (Basic Building Set 725)
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Hello all, Well, this is the end for the most part, congratulations to those that won. I will be sending out individualized e-mails tomorrow to each person detailing what they won. Current bids: 725 Osvaldo Fernandez $30 Going once 6289 Alex Eulen (...) (25 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) What is the outcome of each of these scenarios?... SCENARIO 4A Time Time Page Loaded Bid Posted Bidder Bid Proxy Max ===...=== ===...=== ====== ======= ===...=== 12:14:33 12:15:07 A $100.00 $150.00 12:23:11 12:23:19 B $150.00 n/a 12:23:14 (...) (25 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) No, that was my second statement -- <grin> -- it was posted two minutes after the first one, quoted above. (...) It's especially tricky sometimes to read what's going on when there are multiple identical copies of lots. (...) A keeps it under (...) (25 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | Glen's Assorted Lego Auction - 4/19 Update
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*** All items are now "Going 1". If no new bids are received, the auction will progress ever 2 week days until "Sold". If new bids are recieved, they will progress to "Going 1" after two days of no new bids. Next progression will be on Tuesday (...) (25 years ago, 19-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Good. (note that this is clearer than your first statement "AucZILLA works the 'correct'<emphasis mine> way" :-) ) I was getting myself into a panic for nothing, I must have been misreading the results I was examining. What about Derick's (...) (25 years ago, 19-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) AucZILLA works the correct way. (...) Yup, that's correct. --Todd (25 years ago, 19-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) In the AucZILLA system, the lot is awarded to A (not B) for 13, because A's bid of 13 came in first. (...) Yes. (...) AucZILLA gives priority to the earlier of two equal bids, regardless of automatic increments. It would go to A for 13, not to (...) (25 years ago, 19-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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