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Re: Should RTL be hosted on this server?
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lugnet.general
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Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:55:15 GMT
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blisses@worldnet.att.net (Steve Bliss) writes:
> > Let me see if I correctly understand what you're saying. In other words,
> > if something originates outside of this newsserver, the newsserver should
> > map/truncate
> > Newsgroups: rec.toys.foo,rec.toys.foo,comp.lang.foo,lugnet.foo
> > to simply
> > Newsgroups: rec.toys.lego
> > before injecting the article? I totally agree with that.
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> Actually, I just meant it should just *ignore* the extra entries in the
> Newsgroups header. But that doesn't make sense, especially after your
> further discussion about the evils of having separated threads spawned
> from cross-posted messages. Dropping/Chopping the extra newsgroups
> (especially if they were usenet newsgroups) would be against NNTP
> guidelines, I believe.
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> So it comes down to this: would we rather lose the ability to cross-post
> to RTL, or allow the possibility of the unwashed 2% overflowing from RTL
> to lugnet.*?
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> I'm pretty sure what the majority of other lugnet'ers will say on this
> one, but I'm not sure of my own position.
By "unwashed" I take it you mean those who haven't completed the
news-posting setup? Or do you mean Larry's version of "unwashed"?
> [I wrote stuff about auto-splitting the RTL feed into multiple ngs.]
> > You wanna take on writing that AI filter and providing tech support for it?
> > =:*)p
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> Nope. But you've already got the analysis tools to detect binaries (I'm
> including HTML posts in this group -- make a rec.toys.lego.html if you
> want). *.market posts could be detected by looking for keywords in the
> subject and body. *.spam could look for subject keywords, excessively
> long Newsgroups headers, etc.
But doesn't that validate and/or encourage the practice of posting HTML,
binaries, spam, etc.?
> Which brings up a point: is recognizing message cancels from usenet
> going to be a problem?
Yes, that's a sticky issue. I think (I'm not sure) that it would take a
real newsfeed of 'rec.toys.lego' and 'control' to ensure proper canceling.
If it just grabs messages from some upstream node and then reoffers them
like a caching NNRP server, cancels may not work. Matt, is that right?
Is it a horrible terrible thing if cancels don't work? Do most cancels
these days arrive before the messages they're cancelling (spam)?
--Todd
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Message has 3 Replies:
 | | Re: Should RTL be hosted on this server?
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| Todd Lehman wrote in message <3663128b.28905770@l...et.com>... (...) This is true, you would need to take control.cancel and rec.toys.lego if you wanted every single cancel. You probably wouldn't want to do that, since the last statistics that I saw (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
| | | Re: Should RTL be hosted on this server?
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| (...) True, canceling wouldn't work unless you get control.cancel. Spam aside for a second, I don't think ignoring cancels is very bad. People should assume that once they hit "post", it's public, like it or not. But then, there's the issue of spam (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
| | | Re: Should RTL be hosted on this server?
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| (...) I believe I mean more like Larry's unwashed. I was referring to the set of messages which exist on RTL, and we are trying to prevent from spilling out onto lugnet.* (...) I meant to suggest the *.binaries, *.html and etc. groups be read-only (...) (26 years ago, 1-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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| | Re: Should RTL be hosted on this server?
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| (...) Actually, I just meant it should just *ignore* the extra entries in the Newsgroups header. But that doesn't make sense, especially after your further discussion about the evils of having separated threads spawned from cross-posted messages. (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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