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Re: Selling someone else's work on Ebay
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lugnet.general
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Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:10:44 GMT
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Ok, I wanna chime in here--in a nutshell, I can find faults with both of ya.
In lugnet.general, Corey Sanders wrote:
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Derek, since you’ve come out of the woodwork, let’s have it out.
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#1 I have more than 20 years experience with brick. Why did you assume that
your creation had been copied? You didn’t even ask if it might be similar
in design. YOU, sir, started with the rudeness as evidenced by your first
communication to me.
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Are you serious? I assumed you used my instructions since it is exactly the
same. Looking at images side-by-side, I see one or two bricks out of place.
The other 2,387 are exactly as my instructions dictate. So if you did alter
a handful of pieces, it is still 99.9% mine. Do you seriously think taking
someone’s creation and changing it .1%, or adding a base, sufficiently alters
it enough to call it your own? I think the alterations are just mistakes you
made when you used my instructions.
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#2 although the two creations are very similar, there are subtle differences
that make this creation unique, and therefore not a copy.
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Uh, right. I’ll include comparison pictures at the bottom of this post.
People can compare and see for themselves just how “unique” this is.
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Ok, When I was in college (circa 1997), we wanted to use some trademarks, but
without paying a licensing fee (T-shirt sales for a scholarship). We were told
by the T-shirt company that the design had to be modified by 20%. I’m not sure
how to calculate that design with bricks, but the auction states there is a
metal rod and the base/stand is also added. So, there may have been some
copying going on, but there are also some additional design elements present.
Looking at the base/stand, it appears someone with some brick design know how
built this. (unless a base/stand is also on Corey’s website).
So, there’s some chance that this may be copied--maybe not.
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#3 Your futher communications to me were blatant ad hominem attacks without
basis, based on your first incorrect assumption.
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OK, here’s my assumption: You used my instructions to create a LEGO
sculpture and sold it on eBay without my permission.
A few months ago Nathan Sawaya used my instructions to create a globe. He
altered the instructions so the globe was more colorful. He added it to his
website here:
http://www.nathanbrickartist.com/the_world.html
And you know what? HE GAVE ME CREDIT. That is what was lacking on your
auction. That simple thing would have avoided this problem. I find it
bizarre that you won’t admit to copying it.
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What is truly SAD is that this supposed Adult fan of lego needs to stoop to
the level of insulting my parents. Yes, thats really mature.
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I’ll have to admit, when credit it due, it should be given. If this was in fact
copied, in part or full, then credit should have been given. Even an “inspired
by the work of Corey Sanders” on the auction might have been nice.
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My first email to you said 1) I was not happy that you were selling my work,
2) you should give me credit on the auction, and 3) you should at least plug
my website since you profited from my work. YOUR subsequent emails with rude
comments like “wrap your head around that” is what made things get nasty.
Your emails boil down to... “no, I didn’t copy your work, it’s a coincidence
that they are identical, and even if I did, what are you going to do about
it?” That’s how things got ugly.
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I’m too tired to post much, and to f’ing handicapped to care anymore. But I
wanted the record set straight.
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I’m not really sure what you set straight.
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As an aside, all of the proceeds of the auction will be donated to the
Multiple Sclerosis Society. Another fact that Mr Sanders left out in his
communication.
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Where does it say that in the auction? If you want to give to a charity,
great. You don’t need to do it by selling other’s work. My elementary school
was just on the news recently because we raised over $2,100 for the tsunami
relief fund. I personally donated far more than your auction went for.
Amazingly, we did it by hard work, and not by copying and selling other
people’s work. That’s sarcasm in case you missed it again.
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I would have to agree here--if proceeds were to go to the MS Society, this
should have been stated on the auction. Chances are, you might have had some
higher bids, because people could have used the auction win as a tax deduction.
To sum up my thoughts on the matter:
1) Corey, you do really nice work, but try to keep your skin a little thick.
Yes, this may (or may not) have been copied in whole or in part (there are some
definite similarities). If it was copied in whole or in part, credit should
have been listed (besides, even with instructions, non-AFOL folks would probably
rather buy it than build it..)
2) Derek, if you did copy it in any way, shape or form--you should have provided
credit. You should also have listed information on the auction that proceeds
were going to the MS Society--that also might have made Corey not as
apprehensive that you were making a benefit on his (alleged) work.
just my .02
-Scott
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| Derek, since you've come out of the woodwork, let's have it out. (...) Are you serious? I assumed you used my instructions since it is exactly the same. Looking at images side-by-side, I see one or two bricks out of place. The other 2,387 are (...) (20 years ago, 22-Mar-05, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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