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Re: Do these LEGO Windows exist???
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Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:41:46 GMT
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Gary Istok wrote:
> Gary Istok wrote:
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> > Frank Filz wrote:
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> > > Gary Istok wrote:
> > > > Frank,
> > > > With the 1x6x2 shuttered windows, I have a few questions. Do your CA windows
> > > > (type1) actually have a 6x2 (LxH) glass panel? Or do your CA windows have a 4x2
> > > > glass panel? And with your type 3 windows (the ones without the protruding sills)
> > > > do they have the two holes on top? Or are they without. Because if what you say
> > > > is true, then there are actually about 6 varieties of this window. I was only
> > > > expecting 4 varieties (the 4th being the 1957 verison which is CA and has full
> > > > studs on top (like a regular brick).
> > >
> > > The CA windows have 2x6 glass. My "type 2" are the only ones with 2x4
> > > glass. Until I looked the other day, I had assumed all the 1x6x2
> > > shuttered windows took a 2x6 glass (I think I had moved a piece of glass
> > > between a 1x6x2 shuttered window and a 1x6x2 unshuttered window at one
> > > point).
> > >
> > > My "type 3" windows have both the holes for the nubs on the glass, and
> > > have hollow studs.
> > >
> > > I should take some pictures to more clearly illustrate.
> > >
> > > What varieties were you expecting? Cool! I had never expected to
> > > actually be contributing to the knowledge of early LEGO window history,
> > > I was mostly expecting a "yes, I've seen all those variations, and here
> > > are the approximate dates of introductions..." response...
> > >
> > > I haven't figured out for sure which of my 1x6x2 shuttered windows are
> > > CA and which are not. A bunch, I'm sure of because they are in
> > > practically new condition, and have that brighter red color which is
> > > characteristic of many CA bricks. These came from those 60s windows
> > > packs I won on eBay oh so long ago (at some point, I've got to send you
> > > an e-mail listing all the classic doors I have for trade and get our
> > > trade back on track).
> > >
> > > --
> > > Frank Filz
> > >
> > > -----------------------------
> > > Work: mailto:ffilz@us.ibm.com (business only please)
> > > Home: mailto:ffilz@mindspring.com
> >
> > Frank, You shouldn't have too much trouble telling ASB from CA as far as the red
> > windows go. The white ones are a little harder to tell, but just look for a little
> > warpage.
> >
> > When I get home tonight, I will be checking all my 1x6x3 classic windows with shutters
> > to verify all the above anomolies. The hollow studs are found on all windows since
> > 1957. I think I have about 100 of these shuttered windows in red, and about 30 in
> > white, with at least 25% made of Cellulose Acetate. For some reason, I haven't used
> > these yet in any building (I've been saving them for a special project -- along with the
> > 1x6x2 (3) pane windows). The one thing that can skewer my own observations is the fact
> > that most of mine (about 85%) are from Europe, with fewer from the USA (most of these
> > would be Samsonite). You might have some Samsonite versions that I don't have. Please
> > let me know what you find out.
> >
> > And as for our pending trade, I haven't forgotten you. It's just that the trade total
> > just keeps growing.
> >
> > Gary Istok
>
> Boy Frank you sure did "open up a can of worms".......
>
> I checked last night. I have about 130 of the red 1x6x2 shuttered windows. And I checked
> each and every one. And guess what. There are 6 (!!!!) varieties to this window. All of
> them can be determined simply by looking at the top (studs) of the window.
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> First of all when the pane of glass in the window is only a "half" pane (just covers area
> behind the window portion and not behind the shutter portion), the two small holes on top
> are between studs (2&3) and (4&5). If the window is a "full" pane (fills in behind the
> window and shutter portion), the two small holes on top are between studs (1&2) and (5&6).
> These little holes are what holds the window panes in place, since there are two small pips
> of plastic in the window panes that snap into these holes.
>
> Here is what I have (with counts in parethesis):
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> Full Stud windows with sills (and 2 small holes on top):
> #1 -- CA 1957 windows are "half pane" - (4)
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> Hollow Stud windows with sills (and 2 small holes on top):
> #2 -- CA 1958-64 windows are "half pane" - (23)
> #3 -- CA 1968-64 windows are "full pane" - (14)
> #4 -- ABS 1964-71 windows are "half pane" - (55)
> #5 -- ABS 1964-71 windows are "full pane" - (9)
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> Hollow Stud windows without sills (and without 2 small holes on top):
> #6 -- ABS 1972-80 windows are "full pane" - (25)
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> Note: full pane window types #3 and #5 have a small long ridge of plastic along the inside
> far corners of the windows that hold the wide full pane in place along the side edges.
> Window type #6, also a full pane type, does not have any such ridge.
>
> I still had a batch of 43 of these windows set aside from three German sellers. And it was
> very interesting, since none of the "full pane" windows were among these 43. Only half pane
> windows. Since many of these windows were used, and of several different varieties,. It is
> possible that Samsonite made the full pane windows, and TLC Europe made the half pane
> windows. That is until 1972, when all windows were full pane (and of course minus the
> sills). But I cannot for sure claim this as gospel, since I have 3 white "half pane"
> windows from my 1963 Junior Constructor set (717), which has all its' original pieces. I
> will have to query some of my European collector friends to see what they have in full pane
> windows.
>
> Stay tuned,
> Gary Istok
Hey Frank, I know that you 've been hoarding those small yellow classic windows (1x1x1, 1x2x1,
1x1x2). Can you give me a breakdown of the ones you have, and their type. My population in
these is not as big as I would like (never is), but they are of enough variety to make further
study necessary. That's where you can help (or anyone else for that matter!!!!!).
I have 16 of the 1x1x1 windows in yellow. None have glass, nor any protruding window sills.
They are probably all from 1970's train sets, and #390, and #398 model kits.
I have 9 of the 1x2x1 (low) windows in yellow. All have glass, and 4 of the 9 have window sills
(these 4 are from 325 Shell sets). The remainder are probably from 1970's train sets.
I have 6 1x1x2 (tall) windows in yellow. None of them have protruding sills (all 70's train
sets?), and only 1 has glass. This is the window that is most baffling to me. Did the 5
without glass have glass at one time? (All have some play wear) Or did some trains come with
glass, some without.
And since I am on a yellow window tangent, all my 1x2x2 yellow windows are without protruding
window sills, except the 4 I have from two #325 Shell Stations from 1966-70. I am assuming that
this was not only the first year that these yellow windows were produced (actually the first
year for any yellow windows/doors), but this was probably the only set that had these "with
sills" windows (1x2x2 and also the 1x2x1).
And while you're at it Frank, please check your classic yellow doors and the 1x6x3 windows. I
have about 35 of the doors and 8 of the windows, and I've only found 2 types for each (with and
without holes on top by the studs - the doors had one or none, and the large 1x6x3 windows had
two or none. Any other variations???
Thanks Frank (and anyone else who can shed some light on these yellow windows).
Gary Istok
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| (...) [snip] (...) windows (1x1x1, 1x2x1, (...) population in (...) to make further (...) matter!!!!!). (...) window sills. Same with my approximated 20 yellow 1x1x1 windows also. (...) have window sills (...) train sets. I have just one with sill, (...) (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.trains)
| | | Re: Do these LEGO Windows exist???
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| Gary Istok wrote in message <39C8E8CA.3F45BE76@u...ch.edu>... (...) My 2 are glassless, don't have protruding sills, but do have little bumps to hold glass in. My one white one is the same. My red ones include 1 like that, but with glass, and one (...) (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.trains)
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| (...) Boy Frank you sure did "open up a can of worms"....... I checked last night. I have about 130 of the red 1x6x2 shuttered windows. And I checked each and every one. And guess what. There are 6 (!!!!) varieties to this window. All of them can (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.trains)
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