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In lugnet.cad.dat.parts, Steve Bliss wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dat.parts, TWS Garrison wrote:
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> > Noticed a few odd things about the Minifig Helmets on the Parts Tracker a
> > few weeks ago
> > http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?f=parts/x593.dat
> > http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?f=parts/193.dat
> > http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?f=parts/2446.dat
> > The first thing I noticed is that the newer version of the original helmet
> > (the thick chinstrap version) has been assigned the new 3DN 593. I
> > thought that was kinda strange, since every other time I recall LDraw
> > tracking two versions of the same basic part (e.g., 4085) the standard has
> > been to append a,b,etc. to the part number. I'm surprised that these two
> > are so different as to merit different unofficial numbers, since I can
> > barely tell them apart[1].
>
> The single-character suffixes are used, not because parts have multiple versions, but
> because different parts sometimes have the same number. If a new version of a part
> comes out with a different number, we'd use the new number when modeling the part.
> And if a new part comes out that walks over an old part's ID, we'll use character
> suffixes (suffii? suffices?) to differentiate.[1]
>
> With 3DN's, the parts are all 'different numbers' - there's no reason to pile up
> letter suffixes on a single number (unless you're a member of the 3DN Conservation
> Club ;).
>
> > The more arresting thing is that they've been renamed "Minifig Crash
> > Helmet. . .". First thought[2]: that's going to make these parts hard to
> > find on a list of parts. Second thought: what the heck is a "crash
> > helmet"? A trip to dictionary.com later, third thought: well, that name
> > applies to the Town usage of these parts, but certainly not the Castle or
> > Space usages. Which is odd, because I thought LDraw was moving away from
> > theme-specific names. Heck, why not just call them "Town Helmet. . .", at
> > that rate?
>
> We're getting away from grouping parts by theme. We still have to call them
> *something*. And "Minifig Helmet Crash" seemed really weird, as a name. I'm open to
> other suggestions.
>
> > Anyone have any thoughts, knowledge, or wisdom on these
> > suddenly-mysterious parts?
>
> This all started because the old helmets (or variations of the old helmet) had gotten
> labeled as "Minifig Helmet Type 1" and "Minifig Helmet Type 2". In my mind, these
> two parts were a single "type" - I thought the Type 1 and Type 2 was confusing. So
> Chris and I discussed some options, and published the results.
Personally, I've thought of the "crash helmet" as the helmet that can accept a
visor. You could also use the word "modern" as a descriptor. Thus, my two
suggestions for 2446 are
Minifig Helmet, Modern Style
&
Minifig Helmet with Visor Pivots
I realize the old classic helmets also have visor pivots, but I've never seen a
visor for them.
Or maybe the older helmets should be called
Minifig Helmet, Classic Style
But I have to agree that Helmet needs to be the second word. Either that, or
start a "headgear" or "headpiece" subcategory (headpiece seems better if you
include hairpieces), such that all pieces that are to be worn on the head are
titled
Minifig Headgear part name
Such as
Minifig Headgear Crash Helmet
Minifig Headgear Tricorn
Minifig Headgear Chef's Hat
Minifig Headgear Female Hair with Pigtails
etc.
This is certainly my preference, as I prefer similar parts to be grouped
together. It may be worthwhile to implement this across all the minifig parts,
so that you get:
Minifig Head
Minifig Arm
Minifig Leg
Minifig Hips
Minifig Torso
Minifig Tool (all handheld items that aren't specifically weapons)
Minifig Weapon (harpoons, pistols, swords, etc)
Minifig Headgear
Some of these exist already, but the last three could be really useful when you
can't remember the name of a piece, but you know that it is a
tool/weapon/headpiece (for example, every time I look for the spanner, I first
think of a wrench). There wouldn't be many other pieces that fall in the
minifig category that don't fall into one of those subcategories (airtanks and
flippers are the only two I can think of right now).
Just a suggestion, and I known that I've seen a similar suggestion before.
Maybe now would be a good time to enact this sort of plan.
Just my 2 cents.
John
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| (...) put the blame on me ;-) I named them type 1, 2 because 3839A.dat and 3839B.dat are named: Plate 1 x 2 with Handles Type 1 - 3839A.dat Plate 1 x 2 with Handles Type 2 - 3839B.dat the only difference is in the height of the handles. the (...) (21 years ago, 11-Dec-03, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts, lugnet.db.brictionary)
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| (...) Well, unless for some reason you've got a database that can recognize that two parts may be related when they have the same base number. I'm sure I know of a database like that somewhere. :) (...) For whatever reason, the visor was only made (...) (21 years ago, 11-Dec-03, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts, lugnet.db.brictionary)
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| | Re: Minifig Helmets
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| (...) The single-character suffixes are used, not because parts have multiple versions, but because different parts sometimes have the same number. If a new version of a part comes out with a different number, we'd use the new number when modeling (...) (21 years ago, 11-Dec-03, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts, lugnet.db.brictionary)
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