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In lugnet.cad.dat.parts, John Riley wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dat.parts, Steve Bliss wrote:
> > In lugnet.cad.dat.parts, TWS Garrison wrote:
> >
> > > Noticed a few odd things about the Minifig Helmets on the Parts Tracker a
> > > few weeks ago
> > > http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?f=parts/x593.dat
> > > http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?f=parts/193.dat
> > > http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?f=parts/2446.dat
> > > The first thing I noticed is that the newer version of the original helmet
> > > (the thick chinstrap version) has been assigned the new 3DN 593. I
> > > thought that was kinda strange, since every other time I recall LDraw
> > > tracking two versions of the same basic part (e.g., 4085) the standard has
> > > been to append a,b,etc. to the part number. I'm surprised that these two
> > > are so different as to merit different unofficial numbers, since I can
> > > barely tell them apart[1].
> >
> > The single-character suffixes are used, not because parts have multiple versions, but
> > because different parts sometimes have the same number. If a new version of a part
> > comes out with a different number, we'd use the new number when modeling the part.
> > And if a new part comes out that walks over an old part's ID, we'll use character
> > suffixes (suffii? suffices?) to differentiate.[1]
> >
> > With 3DN's, the parts are all 'different numbers' - there's no reason to pile up
> > letter suffixes on a single number (unless you're a member of the 3DN Conservation
> > Club ;).
> >
> > > The more arresting thing is that they've been renamed "Minifig Crash
> > > Helmet. . .". First thought[2]: that's going to make these parts hard to
> > > find on a list of parts. Second thought: what the heck is a "crash
> > > helmet"? A trip to dictionary.com later, third thought: well, that name
> > > applies to the Town usage of these parts, but certainly not the Castle or
> > > Space usages. Which is odd, because I thought LDraw was moving away from
> > > theme-specific names. Heck, why not just call them "Town Helmet. . .", at
> > > that rate?
> >
> > We're getting away from grouping parts by theme. We still have to call them
> > *something*. And "Minifig Helmet Crash" seemed really weird, as a name. I'm open to
> > other suggestions.
> >
> > > Anyone have any thoughts, knowledge, or wisdom on these
> > > suddenly-mysterious parts?
> >
> > This all started because the old helmets (or variations of the old helmet) had gotten
> > labeled as "Minifig Helmet Type 1" and "Minifig Helmet Type 2". In my mind, these
> > two parts were a single "type" - I thought the Type 1 and Type 2 was confusing. So
> > Chris and I discussed some options, and published the results.
put the blame on me ;-) I named them type 1, 2 because 3839A.dat and 3839B.dat
are named:
Plate 1 x 2 with Handles Type 1 - 3839A.dat
Plate 1 x 2 with Handles Type 2 - 3839B.dat
the only difference is in the height of the handles. the
town/castle/classicspace/oldstyle/modern/crash/withandwithoutvisorandpivots
helmets differ solely in the thickness of the chinstrap. to me it was a logical
decision naming the helmets accordingly. but to be honest ... I don't give a
**** about the naming. not being a native I have to learn them by memory anyway.
ROFL
> Personally, I've thought of the "crash helmet" as the helmet that can accept a
> visor. You could also use the word "modern" as a descriptor. Thus, my two
> suggestions for 2446 are
> Minifig Helmet, Modern Style
> &
> Minifig Helmet with Visor Pivots
>
> I realize the old classic helmets also have visor pivots, but I've never seen a
> visor for them.
>
> Or maybe the older helmets should be called
> Minifig Helmet, Classic Style
>
> But I have to agree that Helmet needs to be the second word. Either that, or
> start a "headgear" or "headpiece" subcategory (headpiece seems better if you
> include hairpieces), such that all pieces that are to be worn on the head are
> titled
> Minifig Headgear part name
> Such as
> Minifig Headgear Crash Helmet
> Minifig Headgear Tricorn
> Minifig Headgear Chef's Hat
> Minifig Headgear Female Hair with Pigtails
> etc.
>
> This is certainly my preference, as I prefer similar parts to be grouped
> together. It may be worthwhile to implement this across all the minifig parts,
> so that you get:
> Minifig Head
> Minifig Arm
> Minifig Leg
> Minifig Hips
> Minifig Torso
> Minifig Tool (all handheld items that aren't specifically weapons)
> Minifig Weapon (harpoons, pistols, swords, etc)
> Minifig Headgear
>
> Some of these exist already, but the last three could be really useful when you
> can't remember the name of a piece, but you know that it is a
> tool/weapon/headpiece (for example, every time I look for the spanner, I first
> think of a wrench). There wouldn't be many other pieces that fall in the
> minifig category that don't fall into one of those subcategories (airtanks and
> flippers are the only two I can think of right now).
>
> Just a suggestion, and I known that I've seen a similar suggestion before.
yepp: http://news.lugnet.com/cad/dev/?n=7485
> Maybe now would be a good time to enact this sort of plan.
> Just my 2 cents.
> John
my 0.01 euro.
w.
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| (...) Personally, I've thought of the "crash helmet" as the helmet that can accept a visor. You could also use the word "modern" as a descriptor. Thus, my two suggestions for 2446 are Minifig Helmet, Modern Style & Minifig Helmet with Visor Pivots I (...) (23 years ago, 11-Dec-03, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts, lugnet.db.brictionary)
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