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Re: Castle wars: teach us, quick!
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Thu, 21 Feb 2002 00:08:42 GMT
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(First of all, let me thank once again for everyone's replies; I have
started to look at the rules, and hope to be at least somewhat comfortable
with the game logic by the time our meeting takes place)
In lugnet.castle, John P. Henderson writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Leonard Hoffman writes:
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> > 1. the problem with melee style fighting is that in real warfare you always
> > have to plan about the future. 85% casuality rate is unheard of in real
> > warfare, because you will probably have enemies (other kings, or possibly a
> > peasant revolt) in the future who will take advantage of such a devastating
> > victory. you also have to think about morale. men won't fight for a guy who
> > generally kills off most of his men just to achieve victory (ie. morale
> > problems in WW1).
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> Lessons well learned by King Pyrrhus when he defeated the Romans at too high
> a cost. I believe his own words were, "One more such victory and we are lost."
Yup, I know the story. The expression "Pyrrhic Victory" exists in
Portuguese, too.
But if you take the other example: WW2, Pacific. The Japanese had no fear of
Pyrrhic victories - in fact they wanted ANY victory they could possibly get...
> > 2. sometimes battles were to just beat the crap out of your enemy, but quite
> > often there is another reason as well. there is alot of fighting to take
> > strategic points, or even strategic concerns, such as holding off an enemy
> > while your main force does a flanking maneuver (sp). such things like 'capture
> > the flag' may seem silly, but actually mirror real military concerns.. more so
> > than melee and general destruction.
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> True again. Some of the more realistic strategy games I have seen focus on
> capturing an objective of some sort and keeping your units alive long enough
> to prove you control it (the objective). (The Steel Panthers PC games come
> to mind, as do certain Avalon Hill board games. Many of the latter also
> encourage you to preserve units long enough to hold out for reserves that
> come into play during later rounds.) A total mass melee where the victor
> risks all to end up with little (such as in Chess) makes for a fun game, but
> I agree it isn't as realistic.
I will accept those thoughts as very useful for future games.
But if we are simulating an assault to "the last stronghold", it is to
expect a very fierce resistance to attack by the defenders. Especially in
the context of the Crusades...
By what I could learn since yesterday from the rules, this will probably be
our storyline; we have very few castles and troops, so this appears to be a
more reasonable choice. My *personal* preference to a story would be the
conquest of Porto in 868, because the city was small at the time and the
armies involved were too... but then again, *I* will only be watching the
action. :-)
Pedro
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| Good points on realism. (...) Hope you ahve a great time! Starting out with not that many troops may be a good idea. In my experience a battle with two sides of 50 men each, can easily take as long as a game of monopoly. If one side is defending a (...) (22 years ago, 21-Feb-02, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.loc.pt)
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| (...) Lessons well learned by King Pyrrhus when he defeated the Romans at too high a cost. I believe his own words were, "One more such victory and we are lost." (...) True again. Some of the more realistic strategy games I have seen focus on (...) (22 years ago, 20-Feb-02, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.loc.pt)
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