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I am pretty purist myself and can't see using clones or modeling with them (except in trains if some clone comes along and delivers what most trainheads want at acceptable quality levels), but I repeat my thesis: Why be exclusionary? What's wrong (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I hate to reply just to insert a "me too", but I whole-heartedly agree. And folks (I won't name names) second-guessing James' prejudices without actually having *met* him exhibits more than a fair amount of arrogance, IMHO. The way I (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Personally, I wouldn't care one way or the other *intrinsically* if ldraw.org decided to host off-brand elements... What I (personally) would be very sad to see is LEGO stuff being *mixed* with off-brand stuff. That's what I meant by going the (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I've been trying to keep a low profile on this thread after having stirred the pot at the beginning, but now that I think of it, I have a few pseudo- philosophical questions. There've been myriad discussions of the merits and shortcomings of (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Dave, remember you're not the problem. You're just the person to bring up an issue that needs to be discussed and worked out for the future of LDraw and ldraw.org. Opinions welcome :) (...) Its good that you're agreeing about the official (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I haven't thought about this much and I can only speak for myself, but when I see water or skies or starry backgrounds, or fire or smoke or sand or anything like that, to me it's just "background stuff" to round out the image -- just as LEGO (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) OK, here's an analogy... Hopefully this will illustrate the purist's point of view and why it's not arbitrary... You go into a restaurant and order big fat juicy third-pound burger with all the fixings, a side of french fries, and a big tall (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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First of all, no one is trying to "pass" any clones as being the real thing. (...) Second, Tyco is NOT "crummy", it's just different. I don't use it but I think you're letting your emotions get in when you toss around "crummy". Tyco made blocks that (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Disagree. I remember trying it out Tyco in 1988 and it left a very bitter taste in my mouth -- blyecch -- and at the time I wasn't even a LEGO purist. True, Tyco was the best of the non-LEGO off-brands, but the quality still never quite lived (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) You're making me hungry, Todd. :) Good analogy. -Tim (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 If you don't believe in Gosh, you'll go to Heck, where you'll face eternal darnation. (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) As of this point, I don't think ldraw.org should *host* clone parts packs, but it wouldn't do any harm to link to them off-site. IMASO the site should continue to promote Lego brand parts and editors which use the LDraw format, and not push (...) (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) C'mon, Tim! I'm trying to play the persecuted martyr here, and you're not letting me! 8^) Dave! (25 years ago, 27-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) LOL :) Here we go, Dave. Set up your web page with your clone libraries on it and let me know the URL. I'll link to it from the ldraw.org links page. -Tim (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 If you don't believe in Gosh, you'll go to Heck, where (...) (25 years ago, 28-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm not especially code-savvy, but I'll try to put something together without embarrassing myself! I'll mail you the link when I have something to show you. Thanks, Dave! (25 years ago, 29-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Dave Schuler <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:FLtn2z.KB3@lugnet.com... (...) or (...) be (...) with (...) stirred (...) clones, (...) to (...) to (...) clear (...) If (...) that: (...) clone- (...) the (...) shouldn't (...) of (...) (...) (25 years ago, 29-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) It's funny you should mention that; I had the same thought once I'd downloaded the latest version of L3P and started messing around with the quality settings. If I were to use a CSTUD.DAT file, what would have to be different about it for L3P (...) (25 years ago, 29-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'd say, brickwise, Tyco's biggest problem is they didn't round off the edges of the bricks. You thought it hurt to step on *LEGO* bricks? Those Tyco pieces were doubly painful. Also, the lack of rounding made it hard to pry the pieces apart. (...) (25 years ago, 29-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands)
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(...) Aha! I don't remember that pain, but that sounds about right! That would certainly explain why that double-tube plate made parts connected to it so difficult to pull apart! :-( --Todd [followups to lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands] (25 years ago, 29-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands)
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