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Re: Classic Windows: How many versions? Please respond!
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Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:41:44 GMT
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In lugnet.cad.dat.parts, Tore Eriksson writes:
If you look closely at Classic Windows, you'll find that there are
diffeences in many details. See
http://home.swipnet.se/simlego/pix/compare3.jpg for the details I have found.

See suggested 27a.dat, 27b.dat, and 27c.dat (recently posted).

The oldest windows I have, have solid studs and solid bottom pins.
Those a little newer have open studs but still solid bottom pins.
Then some of them got what I call thin walls.
Then slotted bottom pins.
At last, and at least in my collection the most common variant: no holes on
top and with shorter ledge.
(There is also a VARIANT of 1x2, 2x1, and 1x1 that I am forced to
unwillingly mention: So called "windows" without glass. Peep holes would be
a more proper name for them! Some bag maker are probably to blame for their
existens. This most obscure variant is *NOT*, I repeat *NOT* the standard
version of those windows! Even if they happen to be more common in the US(?))

So, how many versions should we include? As it is now, there is at least one
too little.
My suggestion is:
* Solid/hollow studs: Ignore, always use hollow studs
* Solid/slotted bottom pins: Ignore, always use slotted bottom pins
* Thin/thick walls: Use thick walls only for the 6-wide windows.
* Long/short ledge: Too important to neglect. Make two different versions.
(a) Short ledge, no top holes (wide glass in 646a.dat)
(b) Long ledge, with top holes (narrow glass in 646b.dat)
And for the 3 exceptions mentioned above
(c) Short ledge, no top holes, without glass

39c01.dat be moved to 39a.dat
39.dat be moved to 39c.dat
29c01.dat be moved to 29a.dat
29.dat be moved to 29c.dat
27c01.dat be moved to 27a.dat
27.dat be moved to 27c.dat
31.dat be moved to 31a.dat
7026.dat, 453, 645, 646 be moved to *a.dat

604.dat, leave as is (ignore hole/no hole)

(b) versions with long ledge are made to all with (a) versions

While moving, we make BFC certified versions with 3d-glasses in color 47.

Please respond now to these suggestions or remain silent. I will not have
the discussion on this Tracker - that will take *far* too long time.

/Tore

Good idea to keep this complex discussion here. Sorry it's taken me a while to
put my thoughts together.

I think we should model _all_ functional differences, so
* Solid/hollow studs: Dont ignore - hollow studs can receive parts (and we used
this as a justification for splitting 4215)
* Solid/slotted bottom pins: Ignore - slot is not functional so don't model
* Thin/thick walls: Use thick walls only if thin wall are not known to exist
(as per your suggestion of 1x6x2 - but I do have 1x6x3 with thin walls).
* Long/short ledge: Definitely dont ignore (but long ledge seems to be linked
with top holes in the 2+ wide parts)
* Glass/no glass: Dont ignore but handle with xxxc01.dat files (Sorry, I do
agree with Steve on this point)

So we have two variables for the basic part; studs and ledge size. You suggest
that solid studs only exist with one ledge size. Is this definite? I cannot
confirm as I don't have any with solid studs. If so we have three variants for
the coloured part, and I suggest we use the a,b,c suffices consustently across
all windows.
a - solid studs
b - open studs, long ledge
c - open studs, short ledge

Chris



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If you look closely at Classic Windows, you'll find that there are diffeences in many details. See (URL) for the details I have found. See suggested 27a.dat, 27b.dat, and 27c.dat (recently posted). The oldest windows I have, have solid studs and (...) (21 years ago, 9-Jan-03, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts)

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